Can I stop using Rosetta now?

Ed M · 2023-04-15T18:52:14+00:00

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Hi,

Just updated Native Access and I was happy to see Reaktor got updated to have Apple Silicon support. yay!

Does this mean all NI products can now run natively on Macs, in other words can I ditch Rosetta mode for Maschine and Ableton (all the other plugins I use, are already Apple silicon supported)?

UPDATE:

First of all thanks everybody for chiming in.

So I've deactivated Rosetta for Ableton, Komplete Kontrol and Maschine. I haven't checked everything, but what I've checked in my old projects seems to work mostly. Pancake doesn't work anymore, I had to replace it with the AU version. The same goes Expand2!

In Ableton VST2 versions of plugins don't auto replace to VST3 versions, as @Kymeia stated. This is kinda annoying because you can't check which preset was used, but I guess I have to live with it.

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just_jump

Pretty much. I believe Reaktor was the last update for native. Can always just try and see when you run Ableton natively - I’ve been doing it and just avoiding Reaktor things up to this point lol.

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just_jump

Pretty much. I believe Reaktor was the last update for native. Can always just try and see when you run Ableton natively - I’ve been doing it and just avoiding Reaktor things up to this point lol.

Kubrak

I have read in another thread, that there is problem with last NA. It seems to need Rosetta for NTKDaemon...

I am not on Mac, so cannot verify.

Kymeia

The only problem, specifically in Ableton, is I think it's one of the few hosts that still doesn't support VST2 to VST3 migration so that might be an issue for some?

just_jump

@Kubrak I think they mentioned in the dev talk that everything NA / NTK is now native.

I forgot that Kymeia is correct about the VST migration - it's been a request for Ableton for years with no comment on supporting it. So any projects with VST2 will continue to need Rosetta mode, but anything going forward should be using VST3 and not necessitate it.

I think had already turned off VST2 in Ableton to avoid issues going forward at least.

basehead617

what dev talk?

Kymeia

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64413#Comment_64413

Yeah I don't know what they are thinking really. Although the projects themselves should be fine in terms of content but you would need to save out or note the presets used and copy them over to the VST3 versions manually and any automation made using plugins would have to be redone so it's a real pain.

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64437#Comment_64437

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/12231/devtalks-native-access-startup-journey-and-next-steps

Kubrak

@Kubrak I think they mentioned in the dev talk that everything NA / NTK is now native.

It should have been, but there was the thread that user had problem with NTK in latest NA2 and one of NI representatives confirmed, there is some kind of problem. Maybe it was related only to certain OS version. I do not know. I do not use Mac, so cannot check.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/12216/native-access-cant-install-ntk

basehead617

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64584#Comment_64584

Wow! Just imagine if we got this sort of transparency about what was going on with Maschine, which is essentially abandoned.

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64685#Comment_64685

Yeah... pretty cool, it's the second time they do it for NA and they have done it for Kontakt aswell, the forum team has been pushing for this sort of thing since the start of the new forum, credit to them! As for Maschine yeah, it's been pretty sad to watch slowly die.

djadidai

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64693#Comment_64693

Can you please elaborate on the “slowly die” part? Peace and ❤️

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64733#Comment_64733

I'm derailing this thread a bit, sorry.

It's just my personal opinion on what's been going on for years, the last exciting thing that happened was the M+ 3 years ago, and to someone like me with not much interest in standalone, not even that counts... Apple silicon and VST3 are pretty much mandatory so doesn't count either.

djadidai

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/64779#Comment_64779

Has it been 3 years already? Jesus Christ Mohammed Allah. I can’t believe that much time has passed. What do you think would be telling you otherwise? Except aftertouch, probability and custom chords, what more could they do for the M2sw? The next step is a complete DAW… or??

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/66187#Comment_66187

Yeah, released October 2020 I think...🤯

I'm not in the 'make it a daw' camp, I already have a DAW and that makes no sense to me and even if NI decided to do such a crazy ambitious thing then imagine how long it would take to evolve then, people underestimate the absurd amount of features real DAW's have, their code base is like at least 40 times bigger than Maschine's... This sort of topic tends to bring up discussions of what a DAW is and is not tho... I rather not engage in that in case anyone quotes me.

The next step can be anything, as long as there are steps... those examples you gave are really nice, but I'd be happy with tiny easy to implement tweaks here and there at least we would be moving towards something, there are thousands of requests out there, plenty to do. Look at NA2 constantly getting better and with nice communication now... I don't want to rant tho... I kind of already did, oops.

djadidai

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/66224#Comment_66224

Change for the sake of change to keep something “feeling” fresh or up to date isn’t optimal either. If changes are made they should improve something or add something. M2 is already hyper performant so I guess there’s not so much more it could be.

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