Maschine roadmap

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  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,679 mod
    edited March 2023

    Indeed. For this topic you don't really need a quote or proof, it was def said one way or another multiple times, I asked who said it out of curiosity in case it was recent and just to check wording to see if it qualifies as a "lie" or not, not to question you on if the statement was made or not, it knows it was. Maybe I worded that initial question the wrong way, sorry.

    IMO they publish it there (or anywhere else) because it's constantly asked, if I worked as a Tech Support and had to answer 100000 tickets asking for this kind of question I would def get in touch with the Web Team to put a statement there. If they can't confirm when it's coming but it's indeed a possibility then those vague statements like 'it's under consideration' are really all you can get, what would be better? 'Dont count on anything atm, we don't when it's gonna happen' ? Hard to imagine any big company being so brutally honest, altho that would be great it's not a very realistic expectation imo.

    I understand how that can be viewed as marketing and deceiving but at the same time also understand why things are communicated the way they are.

    Perhaps due to the fact I have a bit of access to some behind-the-scenes stuff and see some NI folks pushing hard for more communication, fixes for things, etc I sympathize with those lower-ranked employees. People like tech sup or someone like Nico who said what he said in this thread to try to be helpful and is now being seen as 'liar' and part of the problem when his intention was the opposite, he doesn't make more money if more M+ are sold; it's a bit of a messed up situation, he's been laid off since and whoever really holds power over these issues keeps climbing the corporate ladder, being promoted every few years getting more and more power no matter how much users get angry with the state of things... Quite a sad reality tbh 🤷‍♂️

  • jkq2010
    jkq2010 Member Posts: 42 Helper

    I'm amazed they got away with song and performance mode fiasco, the whole point of people getting jam and then they just abandoned it. Maschine is the biggest waste of potential, it literally could be the all in one production studio if they just added simple tweaks like tempo automation and time signature per scene. Amazing than an MPC from 30 years ago can do that but Maschine can't. Back to Ableton it is then.

  • Flexi
    Flexi Member Posts: 422 Guru

    No disrespect mean't here D-One, but you are coming across as an apologist in this thread, I know you will do another long post to prove that you aren't, but it is what it is, NI have lied in the past, fact, not believing them means you are not disappointed at any point, another fact, and the majority of paying users could care less who gets fired and who gets promoted at NI, they generally care about their own use of the products they pay for, another fact.

    Here is a hint for anybody who even cares (Which I am sure another long post can disprove) NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER is your friend or is doing you a favour, they do not deserve your unreserved respect, respect is earned in every facet of life, that does not mean disrespect either, before anybody decides to get all TOS over here.

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,679 mod
    edited March 2023

    Noted. Sorry it came across that way.

    Nope, no long post reply and also no need to prove anything... I'll just be silent in this sort of topic from now on, like the company is.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,266 Expert
    edited March 2023

    Do you know what I find sad?

    That we are still here discussing (and disputing 😔) between ourselves KNOWING nobody from the company will care about it…

    And that as soon as we show our concerns/feelings in a more detailed way, even the only person that “officially” chimed in to tell us something will disappear and stop answering to ANYTHING.

    Btw: D-One for many years has been a very good resource/helper for this forum and this community, being he of the same opinion as some of us or not. Don’t fall in the mechanisms so much beloved by the “powerful” to make the people argue between themselves to control them easily.

    “Divide et impera” is a strategy that was already used by the ancient Roman empire loooong ago…

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,266 Expert
    edited March 2023

    And…for the ones who don’t know: a “semi-official” statement about Maschine has been done in another thread: Maschine IS NOT a priority at all, and all other divisions seems to have more focus right now (sorry to give you this bad news).

    And the person who made it…suddenly disappeared (maybe scolded by the people we still think will listen to us? Who knows…)

    So…the rule “take it for what it is and don’t expect anything more” is nowadays even more actual…

    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/10032/very-serious-question-about-ni-transparency/p2

  • Wouter De Muynck
    Wouter De Muynck Member Posts: 248 Pro

    Sad to see the same discussion is going on here in regards to Maschine. I created a simular post a month ago (https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/10802/the-future-of-guitar-rig/p1) to ask for an update on the future of Guitar Rig now OS compatibility, VST3, .... are covered, but also here NI's interaction is close to nothing... "Just wanted to reassure you that we'll share your feedback with the Guitar Rig team. 🙏", which is the default type of feedback. Someone from NI with stars and stripes should have the balls to provide feedback, no matter if it's good or bad news, but they prefer the path of non-communication over and over again (nothing the admins can manage, they are just the men/women in the middle taking care of ******-handling). In Dutch they would define us a "kutklant", a customer can spend their money, but don't ask difficult questions or complain too much, because in that case we hope you lose your patience and shift to the competition. That's my impression on how NI is working these days. Being an NI user for 20+ years, this is a sad strategy.... The only product for which a roadmap is clear is Traktor, I assume that's where the money is coming from. Same for Reaktor for which you can test the beta version and for Valves there was a Q&A session. Expanding this approach to other solutions would make sense....

  • Flexi
    Flexi Member Posts: 422 Guru

    My post was not having a pop at @D-One at all, he is the consummate font of all Maschine knowledge, no doubt about that, but in this thread he was in a hole that NI have dug.

  • Flexi
    Flexi Member Posts: 422 Guru
    edited March 2023

    I warned about the overlords not green lighting go ahead on Maschine development in other threads a few times after the latest round of company take overs, a bunch of users reported me (edit..actually should say flagged really) at the time for doing so, funny how things turn out, right haha.

    Maschine was not a priority with the company that invented it, this is not that company, now, after I stated clearly that green light was not forthcoming, I also stated that when sales of current M+ stock were done, they would not manufacture anymore of them, lets see how that pans out, then we can circle back to my other "predictions"

  • olafmol
    olafmol Member Posts: 227 Pro

    My analysis: NI has new overlords, and are now restructuring their organisation to optimise for profitability. They obviously make most money with selling soundpacks, but need a platform to run these soundpacks.

    Hardware seems to be (mostly?) abandoned, as it's probably not cost-effective/profitable enough (anymore).

    Kontakt is the biggie for NI, as is Komplete. Traktor is basically EOL, other brands have taken over that market. Maschine is barely alive, as it is a VST host, it can be used as a platform to run the NI soundpacks, but there probably have been market analyses that the Maschine platform doesn't generate enough profitability compared to third-party VST hosts.

    So yeah, my gut feeling is that hardware will either be abandoned, or will be used as some kind of "loss leader" to get people buying into the Kontakt and Komplete and soundpacks.

  • Olihop
    Olihop Member Posts: 154 Pro

    I don't think the hardware will be abandoned, the interest of the nks format which is now widespread is mainly based on the interaction with the hardware and it is a good selling point for those who want to invest in a master keyboard.

  • Flexi
    Flexi Member Posts: 422 Guru
    edited March 2023

    NKS being popular has little to no bearing on any decision that Soundwide make, that will be purely based on percentage returns, NKS being popular does not automatically mean Soundwide getting a big enough return on investment, they are an investment firm, not musicians, not your friend.

    As I keep stating in all these threads, be very very happy that we have seen maintenance updates at least to keep the platform working with MacOS etc, and just keep hoping that those maintenance releases keep coming.

  • Flexi
    Flexi Member Posts: 422 Guru

    M+ discontinued opens up a nice niche cottage industry for Reaktor developers to sell to M+ users by the way ;)

  • Wouter De Muynck
    Wouter De Muynck Member Posts: 248 Pro

    Personally I'm a fan of a soft-/hardware ecosystem, as there is a total control on where it is going, f.e. with Maschine and in the past Rig Kontrol for Guitar Rig users, time will (hopefully) tell what to expect or not. @Flexi, you're totaly right that NI is controlled by an investment company for which money comes before the people/musicians. And as you mentioned we should indeed be glad that the OS compatibility was done. @Mutis , your statement on communication makes sense indeed, I never looked at it that way.

    As always company take-overs result in an identity crisis with lots of uncertainties and the sound of silence from NI is proof of that crisis over and over again.

  • Wouter De Muynck
    Wouter De Muynck Member Posts: 248 Pro

    @D-One Please don't, the forum is the only place we've got to make some noise.

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