WOW…. just WOW Not sure what to even say. If NI is working on a new version of Maschine, its got it work cut out for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1XbD59wDeM
It's funny, where Maschine 3 sometimes feels like a too small team of engineers were involved, at Akai/InMusic it almost feels that a too large team was involved in development, resulting in a somewhat convoluted workflow and different UX in different areas of the platform. I must say i'm getting more and more impressed by the richness and maturity of the MPC3.6 OS, and hope that NI/Maschine can learn some good ideas from it for the new Maschine releases.
Maschine Plus just need NI full product release and a little touch of love here and there.
that would be great. I think I’d max the CPU often though if I had all my NI plugs on tap, but that is what send fix are for;-)
I dropped $1,700 on L3 day 1. It's an impressive piece of kit. But I look at it as more of a replacement for my Kronos than Maschine.
I start off thinking I'm going to dive in to get to know this device & I end up spending hours on Maschine
It's a bit beyond the scope of this thread for me to inform you about the relationship between technology and genre, but it's out there for you if you want understand. The very short version is genre and technology are inseparable, often down to specific models of instrument or equipment. The relationship of Massive specifically to North American Dubstep is a particularly appropriate example. "They'll found new genres with this" is a perfectly normal compliment to pay to a piece of gear.As for Reaktor, how it's panning out is that I make music with it every day, lately phase driven sequencers in the vein of the Hetrick VCV Rack modules, that let me add evolving polyrhythmic, modulatable grooves to M+. As someone who's been using Max for 15 years, I'm well aware of its many benefits over Reaktor. They're sitting in the dock next to each other at the bottom of this very screen, and I'm choosing Reaktor more often.But do tell me again how it's a problem for me that a company released a product with a faster processor and more RAM. Spec sheets are such a rich vein of musical inspiration.
It's a bit beyond the scope of this thread for me to inform you about the relationship between technology and genre, but it's out there for you if you want understand. The very short version is genre and technology are inseparable, often down to specific models of instrument or equipment. The relationship of Massive specifically to North American Dubstep is a particularly appropriate example. "They'll found new genres with this" is a perfectly normal compliment to pay to a piece of gear.
As for Reaktor, how it's panning out is that I make music with it every day, lately phase driven sequencers in the vein of the Hetrick VCV Rack modules, that let me add evolving polyrhythmic, modulatable grooves to M+. As someone who's been using Max for 15 years, I'm well aware of its many benefits over Reaktor. They're sitting in the dock next to each other at the bottom of this very screen, and I'm choosing Reaktor more often.
But do tell me again how it's a problem for me that a company released a product with a faster processor and more RAM. Spec sheets are such a rich vein of musical inspiration.
That's because this technology was new. The early soft synths were trailblazing digital music production territory.
In 2025, there is nothing a synth on a Maschine+ or MPC can do that someone could not already do with a Synth Workstation like HALion, Phase Plant or Falcon… or Omnisphere… or Alchemy…
So, the argument is inherently intellectually dishonest, as it's intentionally ignoring the specific context as regards to the state of the market back when those genres were being birthed.
I don't think Max has any huge advantages over REAKTOR in terms of developing Instruments, Effects and MIDI Processors. The biggest advantage it has is that it is also an extensibility platform for Ableton Live itself. You can develop, basically, Add-Ons that add functionality to the DAW itself… or augment the functionality that already exists.
This is something that you cannot do with REAKTOR in any DAW. It's something you can't really do with The Grid in Bitwig. That is what makes Max4Live so good. If Max was just a separate product like REAKTOR that was hosted as a plug-in in Ableton Live… it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is in its current state. Many users dislike having to host plug-ins in plug-ins to use them. It's why so many people ignore Komplete Kontrol and why they gave those controllers a direct connection to KONTAKT 8.
Lastly, who said anything about what they released was a problem? Please do not straw man @ me…
I used to avoid using ableton live but since I got the push 3 standalone I understand live more bcs I started working in SA and did the project transfer and saw where and what everything did that I was using. M4L is genius! Giving the community the tools to create own plugins… it may look like crap, small fonts and tiny dials n stuff, but there’s loads and loads of really cool and intelligently made ”devices”. Big up to them for that.
MPC HW/SW just got another synth instrument -Iona. Roland SH-101 emulation. Like Jura (Juno) it sounds amazing. Not available in MPC Store yet but available with a free gift @PB:
Amen to "everyone avoids using komplete kontrol" because I tried to use ".nks anywhere" on my Akai MPK Mini Mk3, and it was a nightmare. Parameters were missing and things straight up didn't work…also, the browser experience was broken & didn't even list all of my NI products.
olafmolPro…It's funny, where Maschine 3 sometimes feels like a too small team of engineers were involved, at Akai/InMusic it almost feels that a too large team was involved in development, resulting in a somewhat convoluted workflow and different UX in different areas of the platform. I must say i'm getting more and more impressed by the richness and maturity of the MPC3.6 OS, and hope that NI/Maschine can learn some good ideas from it for the new Maschine releases…
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…It's funny, where Maschine 3 sometimes feels like a too small team of engineers were involved, at Akai/InMusic it almost feels that a too large team was involved in development, resulting in a somewhat convoluted workflow and different UX in different areas of the platform. I must say i'm getting more and more impressed by the richness and maturity of the MPC3.6 OS, and hope that NI/Maschine can learn some good ideas from it for the new Maschine releases…
I guess what would bring them close is a more advanced idea mode with a more flexible transposition from Idea to arranger view from a played session a bit more opened and adaptive through Idea performance recording to arranger like in any other product so far with the addition of auto clip settings or something. Would make sense. Any plan for mute automationr ecording like it has been so kindly asked for 15 years ? no you are right listening users is never good.
3.5 weeks with Live 3 has me pulling up to the studio like Thanos with the Infinity Stones.
Two beats one project, DJ performance punch FX on separate sub mixes/outputs out to my pedals and back in is a two-deck DJ mode on god tier. Absurd. Quick remixes dumb easy via quick access to sequencer/automating any sound via sequencer available from any screen. Bruh. Built in Mic for Soundboi Selekta shananigans, quick sampling, etc.
MPCE is phenomenal. Easy af to just sample any internal/external sound and simply insert that sample or any layer of samples into any of the MPCE template kits, make a keygroup. Now you’ve just made a brand new custom MPCE instrument that noones ever heard before in a few taps. Hella RAM, Cores and cpu power so everything is super snappy and renders instantly. No loading screen like PS5. Other Standalones—OG Nintendo with the cartridges.lol. Thanks for the dope MPC instruments NI! Keep em coming.
Haha they heard me! Woke up to 4 new NI instruments for MPC. Shout to NI being back in the kitchen cooking with premium unleaded GAS!
I would not be worried about that, NI has mastered the art of pumping out expansions, give a 2 or 3 months and there will be 57 new ones.
Pro Pack on Force is very nice.
AKAI still dominant on the hardware side.
Indeed. I’m so here for it. When you have super powerful future proofed HW, all you need is great support and fresh content dropping consistently.
