Control Stems with an S3

Chiko · 2025-01-09T15:32:19+00:00

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Hi I have an S3 controller, recently upgraded to Traktor Pro4.

I'm trying to toggle on and off Stems once loaded into a Deck.

I've read the how to use the S3 to mix stems page (by NI) and done as suggested, press the Sample Button under the jog wheel however this does nothing?

PS» I did have custom midi assignments when I upgraded from Traktor Pro3 and these are still working after the upgrade in Pro4. I can not see any midi assignments in the control manager apart from the above?

Hence are the Stems control button assignments via sample key visible in the control manager? Is there a way to import these?

Otherwise what have I missed?

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Sûlherokhh

@pixel : This is your area of expertise. :)

pixel

I think with standard S3Code you have to load the stems into the deck, otherwise the samples button remains disabled.

Stevan

The S3 can control stems by default or is it qml edits? Haven't seen that reflected in the manual.

Chiko

Thank you for the replies.

So I did get it to work via the Remix Deck, however I can not toggle Samples Mode and return to track deck mode?

It would be really good if Native Instruments could document this somewhere, please?

That being said it's pretty useless as I can not toggle it back to Cue Points or Track Deck without stopping the track. So useless.

I have not tried loading the qml's yet? Hoping there is a better way first.

Any other idea's please let me know :>)

Thank you.

Sûlherokhh

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/203173#Comment_203173

It's not quite clear what your trouble is and what you want to achieve. SamplesMode/TrackMode: are you talking about the controller pad mode (Hotcues, Remix Samples, Stems) or are you talking about the deck type (Track, Remix, Stem, Live Input)?

Please upload some screenshots and/or videos of what you are doing. Then please explain what you want Traktor and your controller to do.

Chiko

Hi Thank you for your reply.

As mentioned in the initial post, I'm using an S3 and want to use it with stems in sample mode and track mode.

I'm having issues with it as when I use it in SampleMode I can not use the cue points as per track mode? I'm trying to work out if there is a way of toggling between Sample Mode and Track mode with the objective being playing a track and switching between each mode quickly and easily without stopping the track.

Can this be done? Thank you.

Sûlherokhh

So, when you say 'track' mode, what you mean is the ability to use hotcues, correct? If so, this is what is called 'Hotcue Padmode', as it allows the performance pads to be used as hotcues.

When you say 'sample' mode, what you mean is the ability to adjust volume and filter settings of the 4 stems of a stem file, correct? If so, this is what is called 'Stems Padmode".

You should be able to switch between the two Padmodes by pressing the button HOTCUE or the button SAMPLES.

Chiko

Hi,

Sûlherokhh thank you for your reply.

That is exactly what I'm after :>)

On my S3 switching modes is not happening.

When I load a stem into a Track Deck I can not switch between Hotcue Padmode and Stems Padmode. I've tried pressing HOTCUE and or Sample buttons with the Shift Key pressed and other single and double combinations of such, none are successful in switching modes.

I need to be in a Remix Deck to load a stem which will give me Stems Padmode, but when in this mode I can not switch back to Hotcue Padmode.

Sûlherokhh

I need to be in a Remix Deck to load a stem which will give me Stems Padmode, but when in this mode I can not switch back to Hotcue Padmode.

You can load a stem file into a deck if the deck type is either Track Deck, Remix Deck or Stem Deck. After loading the stem file the deck type automatically becomes a Stem Deck.

The SAMPLES button lets you activate the Padmode.Stems if, and only if, the deck type is Stem Deck (see code below, the line starting with 'enabled:').

from '…\Native Instruments\Traktor Pro 4\Resources64\qml\CSI\S3\S3Side.qml'

Wire {
  enabled: PadsMode.isPadsModeSupported(PadsMode.stems, focusedDeck().deckType);
  from: "%surface%.samples";
  to: SetPropertyAdapter  { path: propertiesPath + ".pads_mode"; value: PadsMode.stem; color: Helpers.colorForDeck(focusedDeckIdx) }
}

The first line lets this code only work if the deck is a Stem Deck.
The second line takes input from the SAMPLES button.
The third line triggers 'PadsMode.stems' when receiving input (from the SAMPLES button).

Are you using any custom mappings or qml mods that may have changed this piece of code?

It's best if you record a video showing, step by step, what you are doing to get stem controls starting with loading the track, showing the controller surface and how you press buttons etc. This is to find out where the problem lies.

Sûlherokhh

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/203135#Comment_203135

Not sure if it was default (in qml) already when the manual was made. But it is now default for sure (i checked the unmodified code for TP 4.1.1).

There is also a second wire (SAMPLE button assignment in qml) that is a bit more complex, that toggles Padmode.remix when either deck of one side is a Remix Deck. It's use is blocked if the current deck is a Stem Deck, even if the other deck of the same side is a Remix Deck.

Stevan

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/203462#Comment_203462

Alright, thank you for clarifying it! They should update the info then.

Sûlherokhh

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/203577#Comment_203577

Yes, they should. Will they? 🤡

Stevan

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/203592#Comment_203592

They will make it all right, tonoght :)

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