Please provide a software that runs on Linux!
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I knew exactly what you meant, and I agree with you re the privacy aspect and nor do I think its anything other than self explanatory in realizing these platforms are getting more ad driven and privacy invasive as time goes by. It doesn't take any honest researcher much to see the breaches thereof.
I run all 3 platforms and I dislike the general race to the bottom between MacOS and M$, hence both of those are as air gapped as possible. The thing is though, I just dont have the time to wrestle with Linux for DAW use. The best way I get around the overreach of MacOS which I use for my DAW is simply dont use it for anything else. I would love to go Linux for DAW if it was all set to go, but I have to agree with the others that this is not the case for probably most of us. Linux does me great for internet stuff and Im OK with that but stability is hugely important for DAW work.
The ONLY reason I use MacOS is it was the best progression from where I came from. It meant that it was going to be much less of a learning curve, which was important to me.
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Im very, very frustrated with all of this, and I have strong plans to move my entire DAW and studio into Ubuntu as I am able. I have one main win10 machine, I've abandoned the smartphone ecosystem (I use a Light Phone), and I hope to air gap the win10 machine soonish. I hate having win10/11 machines on my network!
I am very excited about the direction numerous vendors are going in (supporting more linux), and I look forward to a no windows, no apple future.
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Ive ignored almost everything you've said because it's overlong and nonsensical, and there is a whole world of living examples of what Im talking about if you look for it. Are you pretending to live under a rock for the sake of discrediting me?? You dont get to say "citation please" lmaaaao like this is a formal debate, when I was talking about the cellphoneification of the personal computer. Just dont bother wasting our time here. Just dont.
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"Not exactly sure what you are getting at to be honest."
I see. I wont bother trying again, as I am a long-form writer and most people who read me understand me fine. Not you, though?
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No problem. No need for long form on this one.
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You don't get to make claims without evidence and have them taken seriously.
As long as Linux and its advocates refuse to address the reasons why it isn't widely used as an audio platform, the situation will remain as it is.
You're obviously not interested in discussion, so please don't tag or quote me again.
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You've likewise made claims without evidence, and without respect to the actual Linux community.
As long as closed source advocates and developers continue to INTENTIONALLY create barriers for linux devs, as they have been for decades, this argument will continue.
Ignored. I dont waste my time with burdensome people like yourself. Take care.
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Yep, I get your frustration. I only use my windows XP for things I need to do offline now (the last OS you could have a reasonable semblance of locking down) . I would shudder to think what billyware (or latest replika) is piping off to redmond now. NO.THANKS. As for trapple, not much better. All their jibe about privacy is just a sales pitch to the privacy advocate. Dont get me started on stoopid siri. It doesn't take much to see how privacy is NOT privacy rreading their TOS's etc.The ONLY thing I will give to Apple is that For Logic, nobody has had to pay for ANY upgrades/updates ever since L10 came out years ago, and that Logic has an amazing lot of added Synths, Loops, Drums, FX etc. Logic is also very cheap compared to other Pro DAWS. Even L11 was not paid (for L10 owners) I cut my teeth on Logics predecessor and all Ive ever known is Logic. Its probably going to be a much too big of a jump unfortuately to move DAWs. As things stand, if Apple doesn't pull some stunt like forcing me to be online or my computer wont work, I'll keep airgapping my Mac.
Would be interested to see how things go when you get to cross over to linux and I wish you all the best. I'm with you 100% on the not- so- smart -phone as well as your phoneification. (well said). Like wise I wont touch one with a barge pole. Likewise anything with 'smart' in front of it is treated with the same.
@Paul B what gives you the right to demand people not tag or quote you. Im only mentioning this because you tried that on me as well. I've never heard of anyone doing that. As far as I can see this is a public forum and everyone, respectfully, has the right to discuss and even disagree. When you post you can not expect people to agree with you when they dont. Its actually on YOU to block someone if you dont want to see their content instead of the other way around.
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I asked you nicely not to quote or tag me. I suppose it was too much to expect you might respect that.
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Indeed NI needs to make a Linux version, just like Black Magic did DaVinci for Linux… It's kind of insulting for a company of that size to not even bother supporting Linux. There are FAR more Linux users in the multimedia industries than most people realize, and indeed they can pay for it. They don't chose Linux because it's free, they chose it because it's best.
Then we have to hack things ourselves to try making it work… See here for example:
I personally found that unfortunately version 7 was working, but starting at 8 you pay for a software you cannot use (which is why I'm asking a refund now, but apparently there's no one to contact??? Only noreply addresses and a fake chat that only has robots.
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I can't help but grin when reading threads like these. People make it look as if Linux is the next best thing but then don't bother to focus on any of the problems that surround the platform.
For example… I'm very used to my habits; been using Windows 10 for years now and I've had the same desktop and start menu. In fact, it's even synced with my laptops. That is something you won't get with Linux because change can happen on a programmers whim. Just take a look at the major changes desktop environments such as Gnome and KDE have gone through over the years. And of course… without being backwards compatible.
Of course that's mostly personal preference at work, fair enough. So how about actual product support? I've been using Windows 10 for the past 5 years now and it's always fully supported so far. Of course the EOL is also upcoming, but even so… I've been using it for years without having to worry or bother myself with unproductive upgrades. That is sheer impossible with Linux, the only way you're going to get that amount of support is when you opt for commercial support.
LTS I hear some people say? LTS merely postpones the issues at hand, it doesn't really fix them. All Linux distributions which provide LTS do so while continueing to release newer versions. In fact.. upgrading from one LTS version to the other more than often involves upgrades over multiple major releases, which is generally speaking a big no no because many things can go wrong.
… and this is also ignoring the fact that many 3rd party software vendors rely on the latest drivers, the latest kernel builds and so on. Meaning that LTS is more than often not a valid option for running commercial software in the first place, simply because the OS quickly becomes outdated.
Which means that your best bet is to grab a regular distribution. One which will require you to perform full updates and upgrades ever so often. And which each upgrade also comes the risk of having a ton of stuff getting changed "just because". As mentioned already: just check the major differences between Gnome & KDE versions.
Now… don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying that this can't work, but what I am saying is that you can't honestly claim that this is really fully free. Sure, free of charge; free as in beer. But fact of the matter is that you're going to have to spend quite a bit of time & effort to keep things working. With each and every update and mandatory upgrade.
Meanwhile I never had to bother with any of this in the past 5 years. Instead I could fully concentrate on my audio and other endeavours. IMO "you get what you pay for" still holds true today.
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