Maschine 3.0 General Discussion

I'll wait for the M+ update to upgrade. Still need real time pitch shift and browse user/computer files in browser in Maschine

Good points, I believe the comparison with Cubase or Avid isn't fair, was to the same environment at all. Comparison with Arturia is more fair because they arrived in an already saturated market. Note that I almost paid nothing since I bought Pigments 1.0 to arrive to V5. The temporary 50% rebate is common to software, that's not a problem for me, considering they also apply the rebates to upgrades, and that wasn't a problem for mùeller with NI Komplete as well. It's true that FL is also another story, but I find their strategy way more customer friendly and it looks like it pays off in the long term, including with people who used to use their software without paying it.

The problem for me is when failing to determine the right price then permanently having to lower the price. Korg and Roland have also occasionally fallen into that on some of their secondary products.

Again, I also agree that the $29 upgrade is not the main problem here, though I (wrongly) started this discussion with it. The problem is the failed pricing strategy for NI's products, leading to lower sales than expected, strong and permanent rebates, less budget and hence resources for the development; early discontinuations, and users like me, who then getting pissed-off having to even pay even a cheap software upgrade after having paid premium pricing initially for a product (M+) that has needed a lot and long awaited of refinements to become usable. Will probably get this upgrade but will not rush and the M+ firmware update before that.

I'm not saying it's easy for NI and they fail anyway, it's way less easy as they could never establish themselves in the market and so each product launch, especially hardware is a big risk taking for them as considering the slim lineup, it'd better be a future flagship, kinda a "no right for mistakes" for them.

Arturia didn't really arrive in a saturated market. Korg is the only other company with a comparable bundle to V Collection, and there are stark differences in what the two offer. There are discrete emulations floating around, but there are very few companies that offer a bundle comparable to theirs. This is why V Collection has become so popular.

A lot of the big competitors to Arturia V are Sampled Instruments (e.g. IKM Syntronik and UVI Vintage Vault) which have clear limitations (not to mention, massive RAM and Disk Utilization). Companies like Softube and UAD have good emulations, but they don't have anything comparable to V Collection - as a complete product (and before the race to the bottom started, they were also very expensive). Cherry Audio does exist, but people [almost] uniformly regard them as a tier below Arturia.

Market Saturation does not matter if you actually have an innovative product that delivers a better solution. What will happen in that case: the weaker products have their users sieved off of them by disruptors - leaving only fanboys/true believers behind. The market is cannibalistic. Studio One probably took more users off of Cakewalk Sonar than any other DAW in the early days of its existence.

FX Collection DID arrive into a saturated market, but the selling point of FX Collection - beyond the quality of the FX - is the fact that they tie into the Arturia ecosystem AND Arturia constantly has insane discounts for people who own both previous FX Collection bundles as well as other Arturia Products. We have to keep in mind that Arturia has Keyboard Controllers that integrate with their software - much like Native Instruments. So, there is now a strong ecosystem tie-in that encourages users to buy more Arturia products - particularly if they use Arturia hardware.

Pigments also arrived into a saturated market, but by then the Arturia ecosystem was well-established, which shields the product from those market effects. Pigments is more of a revenue generator on the content side than through sales of the instrument itself.

FL Studio's strategy was consumer friendly only insofar as illegitimate users were allowed to use the software unimpeded for years. They are far more aggressive with this, now, but that is less of an issue as it has utilized the previous decades very well to grow a huge market for itself.

I think NI made a mistake by not simply always allowing anyone ot purchase the Maschine software standalone (without having to buy a controller). That should have been the situation since Maschine 2 launched.

—As to your point about NI's product pricing. It doesn't make sense largely because you refuse to acknowledge their business model and priorities.Their pricing is designed to make Komplete Bundles look better - period.They don't expect anyone that isn't a sucker to pay $199 for Battery. What they expect is that most people will see $199 and decide that they'd rather just pay the price of a Komplete Standard Bundle and get the other stuff bundled, as Battery alone isn't worth that price (but the bundle is often justifiable, even at a [significantly] higher cost). It's a numbers and psychological game that they play with users… It's why most people obtain NI's software via bundling.Most new users are buying bundles.

They are playing the same game everyone else plays. Arturia, IK Multimedia, Softube, UAD, Waves - endless numbers of companies - do this, as well. The bundle price looks irresistable when juxtaposed against the MSRPs of its included components.

Repetition is OK as long as it's civil? 😲

Believe me, there are Artist who are doing well with "old" version, Maschine 2. I care about STABILITY the most and specifically with Hardware -Software. I don't care about 🐭 &🎹 .

I do everything in Maschine only for 5 years and for me it's what I needed after years of almost every DAW and best Controllers.

It's everything that you can read on the front page of Cubase 14.

Fastest Workflow and with some basic but important mixing rules which majority can't accept because it's hard to believe that it is actually that simple so it's easy to make it more complicated.

Standalone Mode is the best way and it is actually The main link of the entire ecosystem.

Sorry which part? I am serious and I like constructive discussion and as a Cubase user what I can do with Maschine Plus Standalone Mode is Amazing quality and much simpler and faster let's say Automation/Modulation. With two Lock States I morphing between Multiparameters from literally everything I see.

If it's possible look some of my YT recordings. It's bad sound but enough for the information.