When will Reaktor7 come?
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I don't have much new to add to the discussion but personally i am convinced NI has decided to keep Reaktor as long as possible because of the importance it has and the community but they won't invest anything else in it,i expect it to slowly be put aside,maybe they are hoping the transition will be less disputed this way.
Unless they completely change their mind at some point but reading the information they posted here and there it certainly seems this way. The team doesn't even dare to chime in and say something.
About what features could be important i think the 3 obvious ones would be graphical update,i still run on old monitors but it probably is terrible on a 4k monitor,core iteration and a code reuse mecanism…the last one would be a radical change,lots easier to program tedious stuff,would be lighter on time compilation,memory,cpu…it would allow even more complex programming.
I never expect this to happen though.
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The Native Instruments team probably doesn't want to chime in because last time they did (in the Reaktor 6.5.0 thread) they were ignored or misinterpreted. I have a lot more (unofficial, but what in this thread isn't?) that I could say on the subject, but in light of how this thread has gone I don't see the point. People will decide Reaktor is dead or good as short of an official statement of definite future development, which isn't practically possible at this time based on what we know. Reaktor is definitely (but not necessarily indefinitely) on hold. That's literally all we know. Anything else is uninformed speculation. Do with that knowledge what you will.
I would only ask that those who think it is dead stop trying to convince everyone else to abandon it.
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It's important to realise that none of the users want Reaktor to die...
Personally, I really want its intensive development... But the lack of any real information from NI about the fate of Reaktor really pessimises both experienced and novice users......
If NI decides to stop supporting Reaktor, it would be wise and respectful to this wonderful product and its users to either sell Reaktor to other people or make it completely free and open source, as was done, for example, with the wonderful synthesiser: https://surge-synthesizer.github.io
It used to be a paid product, but now it is free and open source and enthusiasts are developing it well......0 -
"The Native Instruments team probably doesn't want to chime in because last time they did (in the Reaktor 6.5.0 thread) they were ignored or misinterpreted. I have a lot more (unofficial, but what in this thread isn't?) that I could say on the subject, but in light of how this thread has gone I don't see the point"
You must have missed this from Page 2 of this thread - but the NI Reaktor Team has already weighted in:
The way I read this (which is really only one way) there is no room for misinterpretation - this is about as definitive a statement (from Georg_NI) as it gets.
Anyone who refuses to accept this is either in a fantasyland or is clearly suggesting that Georg_NI is full of ******.
There is nothing more to "know" or speculate on - unless of course you want to lay down all the "unofficial" stuff you claim to have?
VP
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I saw that, when it was first posted and when you posted it earlier in this thread, and I believe you read it wrong.
- That was a thread about the 6.5.0 beta. In that context, I read the statement that there will be no new features to be referring to the 6.5.0 release.
- Later in the thread, after much speculation that this is the end of development for Reaktor, another NI representative responds to the speculation stating Reaktor is "not set to be EOL at this point" and that we should "take what's coming from this thread with a pinch of salt.
So no fantasyland and no suggestion that anyone from NI is lying. Common sense understanding of the context of the thread, and statements direct from NI representatives.
I have no interest in convincing you. You have decided your interpretation is factual. I again ask only that you don't try to convince people to give up on Reaktor as some in this thread have. That is antithetical to the survival of Reaktor.
I don't "claim" to have unofficial information. What an odd statement.
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I think they were also very careful on the information they decided to give or not to give,careful with the words too. So we can only speculate yes.I have been here for a while and one thing for sure is the priorities changed when the new owners came in.Anyway no point in trying to prove what we assume too much.
Personally i am not addicted or dependant on updates and softwares changing all the time,i have an offline computer which works perfectly well…and my philosophy is more like when something works well don't change it.Everything is backed up with images,ready to be restored back in a few minutes,but everybody works in a different way…and i understand it becomes complicated at some point to combine old stuff with new stuff.
I just wished Reaktor would continue to improve and evolve but it's no big deal to me now.
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"I don't "claim" to have unofficial information. What an odd statement."
My apologies - but it sure sounded like you did:
"I have a lot more (unofficial, but what in this thread isn't?) that I could say on the subject, but in light of how this thread has gone I don't see the point"
Last word for me - if one cannot see that Reaktor is in the same boat as Battery, Massive X, FM8 and all the rest of the old-time NI stuff on the "permanent vacation pile" - no further comments are needed.
The new owners have no interest in pouring another dollar in these relics. The future is Kontakt, Maschine and Traktor.
VP
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The future is Kontakt, Maschine and Traktor.
For Ni, the future lies in impersonality and sameness.
The time of unique and innovative products from NI is in the past.... The new owners just want to make a quick buck.
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"The time of unique and innovative products from NI is in the past.... The new owners just want to make a quick buck"
Someone is getting it…
VP
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That's their loss isn't it. Like I said, there should be a blank latency section in the ensemble that we fill in the latency. Then Reaktor reports it to the daw. That's not upgrade material, if they offered reaktor 7 and used new latency reporting as an upgrade, It like holding back a feature that should have always been there. Very few people would pay for that because daws typically allow track shifting. So there's no money to made there.
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I guess nobody says it would be Reaktor 7. Just small, but valuable, update of Reaktor 6.
It is easier to generate money by providing content than providing SW. That is the whole story. NI will take care for Traktor and Kontakt. And maybe for Maschine as selling point for Maschine HW.
Reaktor, Massive X, …. will be in stand by. Maybe forever, maybe one day the NI strategy will change. Nobody knows.
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Everything in this thread is unofficial, other than copied comments from NI representatives. So of course anything I have to add is unofficial. It probably didn't need pointing out and I gather that confused some. Not my intention.
To the OP – what we know is: Reaktor 7 may never come. If it does, it won't be soon. There are no signs that Reaktor is soon to be gone either. What you do with this information is up to you. What I will do with it is the same I've always done with any software: use it as long as it works and not worry too much about the day it may be gone. Everything is impermanent.
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I'm sure they were trying to be careful. It's always important to be careful in how you convey information to the public. This thread is a good example of how it can be taken to mean things you did not intend (and why they tried to explain to people not to go wild with theories in the original thread).
Though not important to me, delay compensation and high resolution support are important to others and I'd be very happy to see them added. I'm sure there is more that can be done as well. As a software developer I know that software is rarely everything that it can be, unless it is relatively focused in intention. Reaktor is a complicated and vast machine, and I am sure it could grow and improve for a long time given the chance.
Priorities have obviously changed. I'm aware of perfectly rational skepticism around venture capital. I've experienced changes from within companies in this position. I'm a little less pessimistic than some, more cautiously optimistic. I think the importance of Reaktor as a platform, while less so than Kontakt, is why it will probably survive a long time, even if in frozen form.
I'm much more concerned about FM8.
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"I'm aware of perfectly rational skepticism around venture capital. I've experienced changes from within companies in this position. I'm a little less pessimistic than some, more cautiously optimistic".
I have gone through the VC assembly line twice in my career and in both cases - consolidation, reduction and resale are the prime directives. Given the way the "old" chess pieces of NI are being moved into a frozen "maintenance" state is right out of the standard VC playbook.
Not only does this absolve any need for NI to declare them "retired" (thus saving them endless hassle of having to defend these moves when the outage hits a fever pitch) it also sets the table for the balance sheet and other internal business moves at some unknown future date by showing that these products are "still part of the overall product line, still have a great following (in general) and still represent solid value" without incurring additional time, talent and resource. All very attractive qualities to a potential future suitor.
"I think the importance of Reaktor as a platform, while less so than Kontakt, is why it will probably survive a long time, even if in frozen form"
Totally agreed. As others have already mentioned - R6.50 is about as good as it could get for the platform at this time. It is solid, reliable and really does do exactly what it says on the tin - can't really ask for much more.
VP
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Again, the point I am making is it comes under the "too risky" category. I cannot in good conscience use a product with an uncertain future, it is only setting myself up for potential problems down the track.
It is important that projects open up, 5 or 10 years down the track on a different computer if or when I am working on a sequel. I need to be able to continue to use the original instruments and build on past works.
Reaktor could be around in 10 years, but the fact there is no affirmative move or announcement from NI means it's too risky to rely on. Improvements are also a necessary thing for workflow reasons. You don't want to be spending a half hour to do something that takes everyone else 5 minutes to achieve.
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