The Sheer Joy of 3.10.2

@DunedinDragon

I'm not sure how it would be my plugins. I have roughly the same number
of NI fully compliant plugins (200) from both NI along with other 3rd
party vendors such as Heaviocity, Spitfire, Luftrum, Impact Soundworks,
etc. as I do 8dio plugins (240) most of which are not fully NI compliant
are enormous in comparison to NI, particularly the full orchestras and
Choirs, but they all load the same.

Plugins ≠ libraries!

We are not talking about libraries but VST/VST3 plugins.

@tempsperdu

AFAICS the four main NI programmes, NA2, Kontakt. Komplete Kontrol
and Maschine now rifle through your VST3 folder before becoming usable.
It seems to have problems with some plugins, so it endlessly rescans
them.

Why?

No-one will say, the programme either does this itself, in concert seemingly with the NTK Daemon, or the NTK Daemon solely.

Not at all sure when this was introduced, and some claim this activity is not taking place with their installation.

So
we don't know why it is doing it, we don't know why some don't seem to
be affected, and no-one that can do something about it seems to really
care………………………………

So we are all in the dark and a tad furious. It's far from an optimal relationship between company and users, some might say.

Sorry to hear about your issues with Massive, I have to admit that to date I haven't had any issues there.

You could try running Process Monitor when it opens to try and work out what is going on.

Thanks for your response. I agree it more than likely seems the NTK Daemon could be involved as you've described, but as we don't know, I hope NI will pony up with information about it. We should know what is on our systems!!!

Im on Mac. 2019 intel iMac 8 core i9 40GB RAM 500GB internal SSD - I run Samsung T5s, and T7s - Logic doesn't use VSTs but AUs. I work diligently to keep all of them with lots of free space. Just a thought, do all your drives have a reasonable amount of free space. Especially with SSDs nasty things can happen if they get too full. I personally shoot for no less than about 30% free but 20% may be OK.

My system is solely used for music and thats it. Im very careful what I install and keep things as trimmed as possible. I don't go on the internet with it at all unless its for Apple updates, or things to do with my music products. The Mac equivalent to Process Manager, is Activity Monitor and I'll be paying a bit more attention to whats going on in there. I remember asking if NA1 had this NTK Daemon, but nobody answered, or at least conclusively. I cant find it anywhere in Activity Monitor, but I remember seeing a Folder of it somewhere. Not sure what to make of that. Its not in the start up items and its nowhere listed as being given full disk access. If its indeed not running then my slightly longer load times could be as I said, using more NI stuff in that particul;ar project. I'll be taking a bit more notice of the extended load times on these. Also

I'm not a Maschine user. Im still on the SAME KK from early last year. It worked well until I did an update. The update hard crashed Logic. After expending more effort than I should have, I got the old installer and been on it since. After all the drama with K7 KK and NA2, all of which I watched and waited patiently to update, I'm literally too scared to update so still on older versions all of which work well aside from a few glitches.

Yeah it cheeses me off about Massive and its probably been about 2 years now.

@_Stevie_

Kontakt 6 doesn’t do it, Kontakt 7 does.
This issue is in the code.

Do you know what version of Kontakt 7?

Do you know what version of Kontakt 7?

All of them

For my purposes I use them interchangeably. Since I'm fully converted to the new platforms (Native Access, Kontakt 7 and KK) they generally work the same which may change in the future obviously. But if it helps you better understand feel free to convert my use of Libraries to Plugins.

DITTO in duplicate….

Stevie

With a 1.3 sec startup time here for Kontakt 7 standalone (and even less in Studio One as an "instance") - I am still baffled as to how the "code" would have any time to scan anything.

Now - if it does actually scan my 369 plugins in that time span - I say hats off to the programmers for making it possible to do that in a mere blink of an eye.

And yes - I read your post on VI-Control with interest (GREAT thread once it filled right out) and it is blatantly obvious that K7 not only requires a new database to feed that flashy new library browser but also the new MKIII NKS direct compatibility (light guide ,previews that can be done directly) etc. Nothing like this existed in K6. Not hard to see where this extra overhead is coming from.

But I do believe that many folks in that thread (including EvilDragon who knows more about Kontakt than anyone) state that the initial startup time for either a new (or even possibly updated) Kontakt instance will be longer and subsequent startups (which I can confirm) should be very fast.

VP

We are all running the same code here - but we are not all rocking the same plugin counts and certainly not the same hardware.

Same code, yes. But not the same system settings, applications, services, etc…
This is from the 7.10.2 changelog:

FIXED Kontakt standalone crashes when Canon EOS camera
software is installed

Not everyone has Canon EOS software installed, but some do. The code of Kontakt 7 had to be adjusted.
See what I mean?

Again, Kontakt 7 is not a DAW, it doesn't use plugins. I'm not sure if there is a simpler way to put it.