Maschine+ Same CC in different MIDI Channels

Hi All!

I’d love to use my Novation SL with Maschine+, and map 8 knobs to 8 Groups for Filter Cut-Off on all the Poly Synths, in different channels.

Another CC for Resonance, different pages for Envelopes, and so on.

I know I can do a midi learn with Maschine 2 to map different CC numbers to all the Synths in different channels for the same MIDI action, but I can’t manage to make the Maschine 2 to filter MIDI Messages in different MIDI channels with the same CC, it appears that it’s only possible to map different CC numbers. This would be useful to free CC’s, keep the Maschine in Scene Mode, and use different zones and pages in a Template on the SL.

I used to play with a Fantom X6 and this worked amazingly well. CC#7 was used to control the volume of all channels, for instance. All the parts shared the same CC numbers.

But whenever I do a MIDI Learn and tweak CC#7 knob in Group A in channel 1, and then a different CC#7 knob in Group B and MIDI channel 2, it forgets the first learned knob, although it’s in a different channel on both my SL and Maschine 2.

Do I need to do some specific MIDI settings to work like the way I’d love to? 🧐

Hope this description makes any sense.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

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Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/28138/maschine-same-cc-in-different-midi-channels

I could map every channel every note and Program Change to change Scenes, Selection or Lock States but with MIDI (5 pin in & out ) Cable Maschine can control it's self you can trigger Lock States or place them on time line wherever you want ( or play them in keyboard mode ).

I assume it's possible but I didn't succeed with controlling any MIDI message ( unless program change ).

If you succeed please share 😃 info

ozon

AFAIK, Maschine simply is incapable of discriminating CC channel information. The CC always go to the focused Sound.

This is a major flaw.

D-One

Correct, Maschine ignores MIDI Channels for CC's, they are global so-to-speak.

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Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/28138/maschine-same-cc-in-different-midi-channels

I assume it's possible but I didn't succeed with controlling any MIDI message ( unless program change ).

If you succeed please share 😃 info

ozon

AFAIK, Maschine simply is incapable of discriminating CC channel information. The CC always go to the focused Sound.

This is a major flaw.

D-One

Correct, Maschine ignores MIDI Channels for CC's, they are global so-to-speak.

ozon

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143422#Comment_143422

Yeah, I gave this some more thought and may be wrong on the „CC always go to the focused Sound“ part. They’re more probably „globally available“ as you suggest.

That would mean you have 128 CC available to map to any destination. Not ideal and probably a PITA to set up, but it should be sufficient for most performance applications.

r s v

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143311#Comment_143311

That’s actually part of what I planned for controlling Maschine+ and playing live with a drummer Triggering Drumkits with a Roland SPD-S, and two guys playing with the Built in Synths. It might be a Strange and Bold Plan, but theoretically feasible for a minimal darkwave type of setup.

The idea is, at least, to try it out. Maschine+ multitimbrality has a lot of potential.

I don’t think that using the MIDI cable the way you suggested would be useful for me, though. Can’t really imagine how that could be integrated, I have a few MIDI Solutions interfaces to connect everything to the Maschine+. It’s just the CC’s issue, at the moment 😅

But thank You very Much for your input!

r s v

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143422#Comment_143422

Well, thanks for that, I guess I’ll just have to plan in advance all the CC’s we’ll use!

Another thing that I realised is that I need to load (in Maschine 2) every project I already made on Maschine+ in order to do the MIDI learn thing, right? That will take a While! 🙄

Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143530#Comment_143530

Ooo I was excited because I thought you have found the answer... but OK , I'm sure you will find optimal solution.

P.S. I can't believe that no one is believing me about MIDI 5pin in and out for Maschine , I found it very useful for recording Notes/trigger Lock States. But we all have our ways .

Good luck and I wish you all the best.

r s v

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143507#Comment_143507

Precisely!!

I was thinking about getting a ReMOTE ZeRO SL for extra CC’s but if a controller is setted up for a determined group, it will just be focused to that one and only function. And that’s not bad, I guess, just troublesome 😅

Psyearth5

Having different set's of Lock States recorded as notes playing in empty group on empty Pad in keyboard mode can transform sound in to several different tracks , for me it's amazing option.

Sometimes I do quick events to get instant morfing sounds ( but first Note is always quiet and second is active so that's my fade in ) .

For now it's giving me ability to play for hours and it would be great to have. Standard Modulation visible lane but nothing is perfect and we have to find solutions and still be productive.

Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143331#Comment_143331

I Know 😃 but as I wrote, if somehow there is a possibility I would like to know and use it but I found my solution with recording Notes or just playing them and not having to press SHIFT+LOCK every time and I can finally place them on time line in pattern, scenes or in Arranger 😃 I don't have to record several takes to get results anymore, I just place note and transition or Modulation is happening.

r s v

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143536#Comment_143536

I’ll try that!

I know that the MIDI feedback is a known way of working for some actions, and the part you mentioned about “forcing” Maschine+ to navigate itself to different regions of a Project with the lock states is pretty powerful!

But I’m still learning and experimenting, and I know it will take a while!

I’ll be updating my experience with this beauty! 😉

Thank You Very Much!

Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143541#Comment_143541

You will find solution for sure...just use encoders carefully without to much Force 😃 use the with TLC .

r s v

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143540#Comment_143540

That’s Amazing!!!

I’ll definitely try that Out, it looks way more convenient!

But do you have any MIDI controller connected via usb and the MIDI 5 Pin only for feedback, or just the Maschine+ and nothing else?

Infrabass

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143422#Comment_143422

Another hard limitation from Maschine.
I love it but damn, almost everyday I discover that something I take for granted haven't been implemented in the M+
🥲

Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/143543#Comment_143543

Just 5pin Cable is enough but I do connect Nektar P1 sometimes too at the same time

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