Possible to fix low line input gain via software update?

enz0 · 2024-03-18T20:14:12+00:00

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Saw some chatter about an upcoming software update in another thread, which is promising, but one of my biggest annoyances with Maschine as of late is a hardware issue. The input gain on the mk3 and plus is insanely low, even when it’s cranked to the max… it just doesn’t get loud enough when sampling from my phone via stereo 1/4 to 1/8

Normalizing after is not helpful for me since a critical part of my workflow is playing a programmed drum loop while playing a sample source through the input to evaluate whether or not I’ll use it. When i do this, drums are regular volume but incoming sound is too low to get the proper feel..

Yes i could adjust volumes each time, get an amp for my phone, or use a separate interface but id rather just use something else which works as intended.

..Unless increasing input gain can be implemented in software updates.. anyone else have thoughts on this??

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enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142095#Comment_142095

Or you just didn’t read my post, because i did not once ask for help / advice lol. It was tagged as a feature request from the beginning

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142083#Comment_142083

Are only help request threads allowed here?

I posted it because:

this is the Maschine forum
i was wondering if there was something i was missing or doing wrong (there’s not)
i wanted to open the discussion on a feature request, and hopefully raise it to NI developers

PK The DJ

i did not once ask for help / advice

Your question was "anyone else have thoughts on this??" and people responded with their thoughts.

You say you didn't miss anything or do something wrong, but there are ways to boost the signal, so it could be said that you did miss something (although you claim to know how to do it).

My personal opinion (my thoughts, as you asked) is that there isn't really any "fault" in the Maschine hardware, so it doesn't need "fixing".

PoorFellow

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142103#Comment_142103

Of course you are allowed to have civil discussions about relevant things , no problem in that.

I think that it's probably your 'headline' in particular that is creating the confusion ! , Quote : "Possible to fix low line input gain via software update?" , That does not sound like a feature request but more as a request for help.

But to answer your 'not asking for help question' then : I don't know , I have no insight into the Machine internals. But based on my experience with electronics then to me it would appear as if the inputs part of the Maschine is electronic of the kind that is not software controlled , and if it is not then NO ! it's not Possible to fix low line input gain via software update ! For that to be possible then the inputs would have to somehow be depending or be controlled by software which does not appear to be the case here ! That an input can be selected or that internal regulation of received signal level is possible by internal circuits by no means necessarily incur that the input part itself can have it's properties controlled by the unit's software !

LostInFoundation

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142095#Comment_142095

Ah, life on a typical forum. Somebody posts, expressing very specific things (“increasing input gain can be implemented in software updates?”, “It shouldn’t take an extra amp or software workaround to do that”) and just asking if “anyone else have thoughts on THIS”.

And also the title says “via software update”…

Somebody else start answering him whatever he wants and then also accuse him to “dismiss all the responses”.

What can we do?

As you can see, things can always be seen from 2 sides.

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142120#Comment_142120

in your testing from previous posts you didn’t mention monitoring an external source **while playing back something you already recorded** which is specifically the scenario i mentioned.

Of course the level is audible when there’s nothing else playing. Respectfully, you gave your thoughts on something else, not really the scenario i described

PK The DJ

you gave your thoughts on something else

No, actually in an earlier post (page 2 at 4:27PM) I mentioned that I feed in an external signal from a Roland unit when using my Maschine+ (playing other sounds at the same time).

Fact is, the input gain CAN be increased in several places/ways without requiring any kind of workaround/fix/firmware change etc. which I know from direct experience of doing something similar (why I mentioned it).

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142164#Comment_142164

yes that post was about monitoring an external sound source you had no intention of sampling . What im monitoring, I am intending to sample. You’re implying that’s the same use case. Cool, i guess we can agree to disagree.

It is a fact there are ways to increase input gain outside of the sampler but I want to do it on the sampling page to be even more literal

PK The DJ

you had no intention of sampling

Who says? I certainly didn't say that I wasn't going to sample it.

Whether it would be sampled or not doesn't matter anyway. The facts are:

The sample input level is not "insanely low". Tested and pictured.
The monitor level can be increased to match anything already playing. Proved by personal experience.

All bases have been covered. There's no need to drag this thread on any further. Over and out.

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142075#Comment_142075

”if this is not about sampling” — Can you explain what you meant by this, then? because maybe i misinterpreted. I took this to mean you set up this routing without the intent to sample, only to play an external source .

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142241#Comment_142241

I’d want to keep it open for the possibility for others to chime in, respectfully. I value others’ opinions and not just yours. I guess we can agree to disagree there too

Kaldosh

As a side note I found myself adding the Maschine stock eq on my input to boost the gain and didn't notice any bad noise or hum

PK The DJ

@enz0 My comment was in response to several you made after people had started replying, using the word "monitoring" where you'd previously mentioned the sampling input level.

Yes, I know you're doing both (one after the other) but the responses ought to be obvious from the content of posts in the thread without needing to be explained all the time.

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142317#Comment_142317

Good to know. Would be great to also be able to easily add fx to the sampling page - so sounds can easily be sampled in with fx baked in (in addition to just gain as stated in my op)

PK The DJ

so sounds can easily be sampled in with fx

Already possible. I mentioned this yesterday. It's always advisable to sample clean though, and add FX later, so that if you change your mind, you're not stuck with FX on a sample.

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142322#Comment_142322

How do you record samples with the fx baked into the recording? I understood your explanation on how to monitor with them. Please don’t tell me it’s the same thing this time 😂

On your 2nd point, i was advised by one of my favorite producers to record samples in with fx (eq, lo-fi etc) in order to commit, be more productive, and learn to trust your instinct on what sounds good. I do also see the benefit of recording in clean, to your point. I don’t think there’s a definitive right or wrong way. Would be great to have the option

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