Maschine + advise before purchase
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I wouldn't get too caught up on whether it streams from disk or not, how much RAM it has, or it's CPU... It's not really meant to compete with a modern computer in terms of specs, it would lose that battle every time.
I'd focus on what's essential to you and what you're average project has on it and if that runs smoothly on M+ or not.
For example, make an example average project using your MK3, limit yourself to the instruments that work with the M+, don't ever touch the mouse/keyboard, and see how it feels... zip and upload that project here so other users can load it on their M+ and tell your how it's behaving.
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i have an ipad 3 air which has the A12 bionic chip
when you compare it to the CPU's in both the MPC & Maschine+
you have to wonder... what am i paying for!? btw A12 beats them both of summed together LOL
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The problem is most probably MIDI over DIN. It’s a very dated slow serial connection. Which means all those MIDI bytes are sent one after another. With sufficiently high amounts of events (several instruments with chords, modulation and clock) you will start to hear that the events are not received simultaneously.
That‘s why it helps to use a USB MIDI interface with several outputs and has nothing to do with the M+.
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no picture
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no picture??
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nope. just an empty rectangle with a question mark.
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well this is mixed obviously, errm not so sure now
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lets just say you can go to find the pic by googling
intel atom x5-E3940 @ 1.6 cpu = maschine+
1.8 GHz ARM Cortex A17 Quad = Akai force
a12 bionic = ipad air 3
and check the ratings for each CPU @ cpubenchmark.net
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But I don't see M+'s Intel Atom or the MPC's Rockchip RK3288 on this chart?
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I fixed the pic that was broken.
Just keep in mind generic synthetic benchmarks don't translate linearly to most things, especially not audio, it's a nice general indication of raw power but once you start mixing mobile vs desktop OS's, ARM, Intel, computer vs embedded it's really a bit of a mess.
Anyone expecting a standalone to handle 150 tracks like a computer is not right in the head, it's for a different target audience.
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heres a video i often share....
and although the video is using x2 maschine jam controllers running x4 instances of maschine + m1 mac mini 8gb... there is alot i dont show in the background which is pressing the m1 CPU harder than it needs to...
also i have 256 samples inside the Reaper template, all in memory, with the ability to call them up with a couple of button presses...
at the same time... i have 32 instances of shaperbox2 loaded & running whereby any sound incoming into Repaer can be sent to any one of the 32 send tracks by double pressing a button on the Left Maschine Jam,
as i have built the template around 8 matrixes of 8x8 pages to know where track positions are relative to the amount of Tracks that are shown in the video(32) ...so effectively i have x4 maschine + 28 looped tracks in view out of 256 all up hidden
so the m1 is being stretched and the memory pressure is showing this... on top of that im recording the video and receiving the video feed via a mirrored PC application called splashtop streamer & recording using quicktime on the m1
and the only noticeable glitches are the video ones and also the yellow buffer underrun which cause a slight miss-syncing.... as opposed to audio glitching
so all in all... the m1 mac mini for its size and CPU performances makes it ideal to couple with a Mk3...
do note the memory pressure!
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I would argue that a mac mini, an lcd screen, a keyboard, and a mk3, and an UPS is not nearly as portable as
a maschine+, usb-c battery pack.
The MK3 and M+ have different purposes and had different design goals. It's really not a fair comparison to only consider cost/performance.
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i agree with the portability side.... maschine+ wins hands down...
but when it comes to comparing engines... i'll go with the efficient 8 over a 4 banger anyday!
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I still find it surprising,
Following this thread ......that akai force from my own hands on experience,
Never had the issues described here ....yet theoretically, its a lower performing cpu, than ....maschine +.
Would it not point to the software more than cpu........or potentially, the force having more ram?
I was really keen on the plus, not expecting to be a daw in a box .....but it sounds like there are a lot of issues..........and maybe not worth it
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Nope, DIN connection is fine enough for the task. In hope to solve the issue i tried the following combinations with results clearly showing that issue is inside M+:
- Hackintosh + Reaper DAW -> iConnect USB MIDI Interface -> MIDI DIN -> Roland Fantom 7: Perfect
- Hackintosh + Reaper DAW -> Behringer UMC 404HD -> MIDI DIN -> Roland Fantom 7: Perfect
- Hackintosh + Reaper DAW -> USB -> Roland Fantom 7: Perfect
- M+ -> iConnect USB MIDI Interface -> MIDI DIN -> Roland Fantom 7: Bad
- M+ -> Behringer UMC 404HD -> MIDI DIN -> Roland Fantom 7: Bad
- M+ -> MIDI DIN -> Roland Fantom 7: Bad
- Raspberry Pi 4 + Reaper DAW -> iConnect MIDI Interface -> MIDI DIN -> Roland Fantom 7: Bad, but not worse than M+, and Pi's CPU almost 3 times slower than CPU inside M+
It was some time ago and i dont have that setup anymore to reproduce the issue after several updates of M+ software. But i suspect that nothing have changed...
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