The Maschine 4 (Speculative) Thread
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Who were you asking? If you are asking me, read again. I quoted a member named Cretin Dilettante, who stated something else on the asking price. If you are asking about relevance, I started this thread and it was intended to speculate on MK4, but since nobody has got any news/information about it, it naturally dies or digresses into rhetorical side mentions.
If you were not asking me, please clarify who were you directing your question.
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D-one spoke about how the MV was absurdly expensive at the time, and I thought that was a moot point when comparing the MV to Maschine, because I paid $1300 for mine two years ago & Roland's MV-8800 used to cost about $1099 (according to an old sweetwater page). As far as I'm concerned, $1300 is expensive & for such a device to fall behind something made almost two decades ago is embarassing. The MV is a good example of roughly what companies need to be aiming for when they make these "standalone" pieces of gear. I don't expect the be able to make CDs on the Maschine, but the lack of HDMI out and no mouse/keyboard support is weird. If Native Instrument were smart, they'd be able to make a truly standalone device, where we didn't need to utilize workarounds or incorporate an external clock for certain applications. They'd be able to do what Roland did years ago, and make something as absolutely insane as the MV-8800.
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To be more brutally honest If NI was making a DAW I would most likely know about it and wouldn't even be allowed to make any comments here ... No harm in dreaming, but I advise folks to keep the dreams a bit more realistic.
Do not forget that MataDAW does not have to be a DAW. It may be a new, top secret, platform powered by AI to create the music without any user intervention. Black Box with NI logo and no other connection than ADAT socket. Connected to internet and creating one Top 10 hit per hour.
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so so why don’t u just use that mv unit now? Who’s holding you back?
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I would agree it was a good idea in that era, as a kid I for sure would gotten one if I could afford it, but not today tho... back then tons of producers didn't even own laptops, they were slow, big and there was this overall sentiment that a computer is not "musical gear", this was right at the transition era.
The idea of paying 2x more for less than a quarter of the computer power of a low-end 900$ laptop is a hard sell today, the M+ struggles with things as simple as parity, adapting to VST3, etc.. imagine if they tried making it a full MV / DAW thingy... Jesus... good luck with that for whatever company attempts it.
HAHAH. Maybe it does all that + is actually brain implant, every 20min you see NI play series and expansions ads directly projected into your eyes, the future is bright.
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+1 only little more stability is needed and some new content.
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It's 2023 & my 2016 thinkpad with 8GB RAM & 1TB SSD does just fine w/ Live 11, Max 8, VCV Rack, etc. Plus, I already bought the Maschine+. Sounds like you have some issues to work out if people having dissenting opinions on NI's business model/product development gets this far under your skin. If reddit's to be believed and NI staff really do make sockpuppet accounts here, then that's only going to tarnish the company's reputation further. Yelling at the customers who care about your product the most isn't good for business.
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Much respect 🫡
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just in time for the Maschine plus update, that didn’t fix too much but seemed to have caused more issues, comes another Maschine mk4 necrobump
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What issues?
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Libraries disappearing and intermittent freezing on larger projects for me. Rolling back fixed both.
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Hardly anything new. The past is full of hardware devices/instruments that still haven't been matched, even after all these years. You see this sort of romantization on music gear forums all the time, whether its the magical groove of an Atari ST sequencer, or some inimitable lofi crunch of venerable old boxes like MPC 60
What is your point? You want better gear? "Be the change you want to make"
I for one do not know any other hardware device which will let me run custom Reaktor ensembles, so for me, a vintage Roland MV is just some ****** version of a proto-DAW, and if I want a DAW, I'd much rather use a computer based one
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So what you're telling me is "learn DSP and put NI out of business, by yourself.". Lol probably not gonna happen.
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I was jamming on Maschine Jam the other day and now that KK series can/may include smart play as standalone can we have a Maschine Jam MK2 that can work standalone with hardware gear. Wishful thinking is the most likely outcome.
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Yes Maschine is loosing the competition in my view! No new software, no stems, same old hardware:(
I want to buy a new Maschine MK4 Pro wich beats the MPC. Is Maschine bleeding to dead?
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