Maschine+ ~1 year with no updates = abandonware
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If that’s the case then where’s the open communication to all users that had to wait for so long…?
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Well, I do own a perfectly fine Push 2 so I don’t need to consider an upgrade to Push 3 (standalone), yet. But, as I’m owning a Push 2 it does feel very nice that with the Live 12 upgrade Ableton will also release a significant and valuable upgrade to their ‘old’ controller. It’s simply still not abandoned and that’s what makes Ableton a lot more reliable as a company.
But, back to NI and the M+ in particular. It’s a great machine!! For me, it beats Akai and Push 3 (at this time) on pretty much all points where it comes to being a standalone sampling workstation or groove box. I don’t need it to go into the woods, park or the beach. Simply my headphones or small speakerset, a wall socket and a couch to play around. Mostly using my own samples or the ones from the huge amount of Expansions that come with Komplete bundles. Add some of the included effects or instruments and there isn’t much you can’t do on this standalone piece of gear.
So when using it like a sketchbook or a DAW in a box I don’t think there’s a better offer, especially at its current price point and including the extra 12 Expansion packs (sale). You can also use it without any problems as a sampler / rompler within a broader setup. But there is where it falls short… when you’re back ‘at the office’. The integration part sucks big time. You have to save projects in a special way. File structure is very limited. Can’t use other plugins in your project, because the M+ simply doesn’t support them. You can’t auto-freeze those tracks neither to have them still available in your standalone project. So basically there are two separate worlds… Maschine and Maschine+.
And this is where the ‘abandoned’ part comes in. NI marketed and promised a lot, but neglects their customers when it comes to support and bridging the gaps between those promises and the real deal. When Maschine+ would have been called Workstation+ without any suggestions that it would be(come) a standalone companion to the desktop software, and that it could also be used as a controller for it, no one would have felt abandoned. Again, it’s a very fine piece of gear!
Oh yeah… and then there are some bugs… well don’t mind them. I don’t think they’ll ever get fixed. And that’s where a big company shines, too. They simply release shiny new products, without fixing the old. Simply neglecting their paying customers… yes, there will leave some, but there will join some, too. As long as marketing can bridge that gap everything is fine.
That's why I love my Maschine Plus in standalone with my M32, Komplete 14 CE, KK A49 and Traktor Pro 3 with S4mk3, but for new gear and software I will abandon NI as much as possible. As I set before, they’ve changed as a company… and now they’ll first have to change again.
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And did you also bought the Jam after the release of the integration…? If so you’re simply lucky to get one, because this was one of the most stupid moves I’ve ever seen that a company like NI could make. Completely misaligned!
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Buy gear for the things they explicitly do and what you need them for, not what you hope they'll do after an update.
You haven't even said in this post what it is you think needs updating. Do you just want an update for the sake of it so you feel like you got extra value from your purchase?
What limitation have you run into that has you feeling like the device you already have isn't enough for what you need to do?
Do you know what limitations similar devices have? Cause there's a strong possibility you're just going to keep buying new gear over and over because it's not some perfect box that does EVERYTHING.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Maschine MK1 and MK2 still supported with Maschine 2.0?
Yes, i'm a Push 2 owner too. The plastic shell is pretty sticky now, but it still works fine and I know there is talk of support further down the line and that's cool. There's been talk of further support for the M+ too and that's also cool. I don't see Push 2 as being similar to a M+ though as it's tethered.
You would expect better service if you pay twice as much for a product though and you're within a group paying a fairly expensive 2-3 year upgrade scheme for the new features.
I was slightly tempted by Push 3 when they had their once in a new version sale, but after a few users started talking about it's failings on Nauts, I realised it has a similar percentage of dissatisfied users as Maschine has. It also makes less sense to me with it's 256gb internal storage as it's less than the used storage I have in my M+. People seem to overlook that they aren't the same price when comparing too.
Would people pay twice as much for a M+ MK2 that had upgradeable cpu and internal storage as well as better integration between standalone and computer though?
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Nah.
I bought the JAM when it launched because at that time I was looking for a MIDI mixer for Logic Pro X, and the stripes of the JAM served that purpose very well without the need of motorized faders that could break over time.
Plus, I was also interested on KOMPLETE, and JAM came with a version of it, that later allowed me to upgrade at a reduced price. Plus, being able to load and navigate a menu of instruments without using a mouse (I hate the mouse) was very appealing to me (Maschine DAW).
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I'm not here to correct you, but as far as I know MK1 isn't supported from macOS Sierra (???). Don't know about Windows. But then again, that's not what I'm saying... I'm just glad that Ableton is adding NEW features to the hardware, even after the release of their new controller line.
Besides that, Live is my main DAW and the last payed upgrade to 11 was 3 years ago. Same goes for version 10. So I don't think that's too much, knowing that they will release extra updates including instruments before the next big one. Also when upgrading macOS I'm sure they'll following soon...
For Push 3 Standalone, as said before... I don't have to consider that one, yet. Maybe you're right that there are a 'lot' of disappointed users, too. But the core-integration with the desktop is done right. Is everything there? Nope. And I'm sure it will be.
Where it comes to NI, that kind of trust is way gone! And, when reading the responses at their marketing campaigns I'm clearly not alone. BUT, as said before I'm a happy user of M+... not as it was (over-)promised, but as that standalone Workstation+.
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Wouldn't call Maschine+ abandonware just yet. New update should still be coming before new year
If it doesn't come, then I might agree with you
Edit - ******! its out! my timing was on point today hehehe
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Eh, it's an update by technicality. It's pretty obvious the team is spread thin, and have no real goals or a sense of priorities that would benefit the end user. Why would they putz around on this update and tell us "we'll come to the forums to discuss the survey" instead of adding the things we all requested? Like no, dude, go make the thing. Finish your product. It's all there, you're the developer, now implement the most requested features from your survey. Jeez.
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new logo! woohooooo!!!
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So NI managles to clear the last remaining hurdles of the mess that resulted from Apple Silicon and the industry moving to VST3 standard.. and yall are like "we got new logo"? I can guarantee you that must have taken a bunch of hours.. hours which probably cost a fortune and would never have been burned if Maschine+ wasnt going to be supported anymore..? Cmon
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Yes but every other company has had to deal with that too and has finished that transition looooong before now. Companies with a far smaller commercial footprint have managed this transition long ago and moved on to actually updating their products in a meaningful way to stay relevant ( akai, arturia etc) As someone mentioned on here, this forum has given them a roadmap in the form of most requested features and surveys which go back to the old forum, hell going back 7-8 years. Literally nothing of what the paying user base has requested for nigh on a decade has been implemented. We still can’t even route MIDi fx or draw a straight line in automation. It’s basic barebones stuff like that which is just always on the ‘wait and see’ back burner.I could understand it if we were asking for updates to hardware and software which was long since discontinued but MK3 and Plus are currently still being sold, hardware that is still reliant on software which at this point is around a decade old while trying to compete with brands which are constantly refining and keeping their offerings relevant through regular updates and features. Yet here we are with not even basic support for retina hi res screens. It’s not even a demand for huge innovative features that users are making, it’s requesting simple features like GUI scaling available as a given in even most free software, QOL things that every other manufacturer just has as a matter of course. It’s baffling. People have made jokes about NI software development being one single, overworked, frazzled guy. I’m not sure it’s a joke anymore. Seriously.
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You realize that VST3 was released in 2008, so NI had 15 years (!!) to transition to VST3. Talking about technical debt at a whole new level ;)
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TBH i'm mostly offended by the "Survey" thing again. People have been collecting requested features and improvements over 10 years (!) so there is no need for another survey. Just start working instead of talking about it.
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They would have been mad to transition to VST3 15 years ago, or even 5 years ago, VST3 has been a hot mess since it was first developed and most developers have only embraced it fully because they have had to because Steinberg basically pushed everyone into it by removing support for VST2, especially on Mac.
Also for NI it was a much more difficult and complicated thing to do than any other developer because they had both plugins and hosts to make VST3 compatible and because of their whole ecosystem being based around NKS, which was highly dependent on VST2 and it took a lot of work to untangle all that.
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