How to do Probability/Conditional Trigs on Maschine + ?

L Dee
L Dee Member Posts: 6 Sine

Hello hello!

I've been an admirer of NI products for a very very long time. I recently decided it was finally time to jump into the NI ecosystem by buying a Maschine +! I really really enjoy the feel and sound of this instrument. The sound design stuff you can do with it is just absolutely wild.

I have a lot of experience using devices from Akai and Elektron, and one thing I've been struggling to figure out is how to set a probability/conditional trig the same way you'd do on an Octatrack or Digitakt. I've watched some videos on the 'variation' function, but this doesn't seem to be quite the same thing. For instance, under 'Variation' if you use the 'random' function and set it to say 40%, it seems to just change value of notes that already recorded. On a Digitakt I can play out a 1 bar sequence live and then add extra steps but I can set probability values for each of those extra steps so that they only hit on a certain percentage i.e 50 percent of the time (or even a ratio). Is it possible to do this on the Maschine?

I'm guessing the best work around is to create multiple patterns with different variations to achieve a similar effect?

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  • D-One
    D-One PortugalModerator Posts: 408 mod
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    You don't, Maschine doesn't have any Probability/Conditional Trigs like Elektron devices do.

    That workaround could work depending on your requirements or doubling the pattern size so you have a longer sequence of 'randomness' but it will never be exactly the same as the Elektron stuff. There are other ways like using an unsynced LFO on the Sampler to add some randomness for example but you have limited destination parameters available.

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  • D-One
    D-One PortugalModerator Posts: 408 mod
    Answer ✓

    You don't, Maschine doesn't have any Probability/Conditional Trigs like Elektron devices do.

    That workaround could work depending on your requirements or doubling the pattern size so you have a longer sequence of 'randomness' but it will never be exactly the same as the Elektron stuff. There are other ways like using an unsynced LFO on the Sampler to add some randomness for example but you have limited destination parameters available.

  • ozon
    ozon SwitzerlandMember Posts: 347 Saw

    Conditional Trigs are a very cool concept and I’d love to have them on the M+, but I guess they’re not easy to add to an existing sequencer implementation without major changes.

  • L Dee
    L Dee Member Posts: 6 Sine

    Doesn't it seem like they could be implemented from the 'step' sequencer option? that seems like the best place to add them in.

  • D-One
    D-One PortugalModerator Posts: 408 mod
    edited February 6

    Personally, I would much, much prefer if it was just a MIDI function accessible all over and not tied exclusively to the STEP Sequencer; maybe a pattern option or part of the piano roll, not sure how to explain it.

    I use chance / probability / velocity range all the time in Ableton for example; would love it on Maschine too for humanization purposes.

  • Rhythm Droid
    Rhythm Droid Los Angeles, CAMember Posts: 14 Sine

    I, too, would love this. Of course, just because we can "imagine" how it might look, feel, or operate doesn't mean it is easy or quick to implement in software. I used to work for Elektron and this stuff was very complicated to implement in the code.

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