Maschine+ Power Bank guide
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Yeah running the S49 Mk2 off of the M+ bus power. I don't think it would work with a Mk3 since they need USB-C PD.
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Hi!
From what I understand, this charger/cable combo should be good to go. Is there anything that looks like it wouldn't work for me?
Thanks :)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0B9FTJHGV/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_7?smid=AU12WN93E3YOP&th=1
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You should be fine but I would not risk going with that powerbank, they do not list all the possible voltage outputs on the product page so there's no way to know 100% if it can do the 15V.
I'd email the brand and ask, or ask in the question box of Amazon or simply search for a powerbank that lists the power profiles. There's a ton of contradictory information online about this, some say:
"if it says "45W" or more that means it can output 3A@15V"
While others say the above is just an 'in theory' statement based on the company really following the PD standard correctly.
I even asked ChatGPT and also got an answer saying it might work… or might not:
ChatGPT:
Not all 65W USB-C power banks are guaranteed to deliver 15V. The voltage and power delivery (PD) specifications depend on the internal design and the power delivery profiles supported by the power bank.
USB Power Delivery (PD) specification allows for variable voltages at different power levels. Typically, USB-C PD can output a range of voltages such as 5V, 9V, 12V, 15V, and 20V, but each device (such as a power bank) may support only a subset of these voltages depending on its design.
To determine if a particular 65W USB-C power bank can deliver 15V, check:
The USB PD profiles listed in the specifications.
The power output across different voltage levels (e.g., 15V at 3A for 45W or similar).
If you need a specific voltage for a device, it's important to confirm it from the power bank’s specs. Some may deliver 65W using only 20V at higher amperages, for example.
ME:
Are you sure? Isnt USB-C supposed to negotiate the power requirements? Why would it be able to deliver 20V but not 15V which is lower?
ChatGPT:
You're absolutely right that USB-C Power Delivery (PD) is designed to negotiate power dynamically between the charger and the device. However, not all USB-C power banks support every available voltage profile in the USB-PD specification.
Here's why a power bank might support 20V but not 15V:
USB-PD Profiles:
USB-C PD negotiates voltage and current levels based on the capabilities of the power bank and the needs of the connected device. The PD standard allows for a range of fixed voltage profiles: 5V, 9V, 12V, 15V, and 20V. However, just because USB-PD supports these voltage levels doesn't mean that every device implements all of them.
Manufacturer Choices:
Some manufacturers design power banks to optimize for specific use cases. For example:
A power bank designed for high-power laptops may prioritize 20V (for 65W output) and may not include support for 15V because the higher voltage is needed to maximize efficiency at higher power levels.
A power bank might support 5V, 9V, and 20V for a range of devices (phones, tablets, laptops), but omit 15V if they don't see a common need for that profile in the market.
Power Efficiency:
Higher voltages like 20V can allow for more efficient charging for high-wattage devices. If a power bank is primarily marketed for laptops, it may focus on the 20V profile because many laptops prefer 20V to charge faster and more efficiently.
Summary:
While USB-PD is flexible, each power bank implements specific voltage levels that match the intended use case and cost considerations. So, even though delivering 15V would seem natural (as it is lower than 20V), it still requires the power bank to have the necessary circuitry to support it. Always check the specs for the exact PD profiles offered by a power bank to ensure it supports the voltage you need, such as 15V.
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It says it has PD 3.0 which means that it can do 15V 3A. Even PD 2.0 from 2014 can provide 15V 3A.
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ChatGPT disagrees. 🤪
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Indeed… The thing about these PD/USB/Whatever standards is they aren't enforced, so you basically have to either have the specs listed or trust the company to follow the standard to a tee and we all (should) know how that goes on Amazon products that are mostly from Alibaba or whatever with different logos stamped on them.
If the M+ itself made by NI (a reputable brand) was supposed to be USB-Audio class-complaint and it ended up not being either because of NI or Audio Interface manufactures, then i for sure wouldn't trust random cheap powerbank, theres 99% chance it works but is that 1% risk worth it? What if it only delivers 12V and then the user cant use external devices with their M+? 🤷♂️
I'd feel responsible if someone went out and used a powerbank that just so happens to skip 15V and goes straight to 20V and fries their 1000$+ M+ just cause I said "hey it's all good, go ahead bro"
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Ah man! Really glad I checked. Thanks to all of you for the replies.
I'm a bit nervous about just randomly searching, and many of the recommendations in this thread are for units that no longer exist.
Are there any current 'sure thing' options on Amazon?
Thanks again 😀
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Avoid these models due to potential fire hazard:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/baseus-recalls-power-banks-due-to-fire-hazard-check-your-model-number/
I'd go for the Ugreen Nexode:
https://uk.ugreen.com/products/ugreen-nexode-power-bank-130w-20000mah
Ugreen seems trustworthy and they list the full specs, it's available on UK Amazon too, its a bit overkill for the M+ but would be my choice for a versatile powerbank.
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I bought this one in 2023 and it works perfectly on the Maschine +
https://www.amazon.nl/dp/B09G37WZNK?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title1 -
a powerbank that just so happens to skip 15V and goes straight to 20V
It's the cable that determines the voltage, not the powerbank. That's why that specific cable is required - the PD chip in the cable tells the power bank what to do.
You could always email Addtop to confirm (and a prompt reply is a positive thing) but it's up to you el-bo
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I’ve also thinking about ordering a powerbank. I have other devices (volcas, UNOs) I would like to connect, so tried to find something with a bunch of outputs.
This is the one I found offers me the best bang for the buck.
Can you guys confirm this is fine for the maschine+ and will not fry my device? 😅
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Not suited for the M+ as it doesn‘t provide 15V.
You need a power bank that offers 15V with 2.66A (or more).
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Shame to learn of those recalls. Anker is generally a reputable brand, so I guess this is just one of those things.
I've had the Nexode in my cart for a while. Unfortunately, it's outside my budget at the moment.
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Thanks! Looks like a solid recommendation. I like that someone has been using the specific model. But it's outside of my budget at the moment :(
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