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Making original loops/samples with Kontakt Instruments for cash?

Milos

So, I wanted to make some loops/samples for a musical Roblox Game (Beat Battles if you are interested, cool game overall) and I wanted to use the Kontakt instruments to make them. Now, since I'm a bit confused/conflicted about it, I'm not really sure if it is allowed to make loops/samples with the instruments because of the EULA contract and all that…
Now for the Leap Sounds/Expansions, it's obvious that it is illegal to simply use the already made sample by NI themselves, but…maybe unless I edit and cut out certain individual sounds from the Leap samples, rearrange them (for example, cutting out the drum and the snare from different Leap Expansions I like for my own idea) and then with them to make an original beat, or a chord progression, or a melody, anything unique really.
So, my question is: is it ok to make the loops/beats/samples with Kontakt/Leap Instruments/sounds for money? (As long as it uses the instruments, for example, Melody mode for Prime Bass, to compose original basslines/bass chord progressions and not already made bass loops that Prime Bass comes with)

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PoorFellow

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/51558/making-original-loops-samples-with-kontakt-instruments-for-cash

So, my question is: is it ok to make the loops/beats/samples with Kontakt/Leap Instruments/sounds for money? (As long as it uses the instruments, for example, Melody mode for Prime Bass, to compose original basslines/bass chord progressions and not already made bass loops that Prime Bass comes with)

Based on the answer to a somewhat similar recent question then I would say no. But the only ones that could give you a definitive answer to your question is N.I. Support

Ref. : Re: Commercial Use of Original Compositions in Sample Packs

PoorFellow

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/267190#Comment_267190

Since I also asked this to the NI support, it said that it's not sure, since unlike the VST instruments from NI, GR doesn't have such licenses, except for obvious ones I assume (reselling the GR7 product itseslf, trading it, modifying it without the permission etc.)

I am leaning toward what VocalPoint wrote , but with respect to asking N.I. Support then do not settle for what the Riff bot says , but ask for it to transfer you to a human support person / ask it to make a ticket for you.

Anyway then I personally think that the use of effects on own sounds ought to be or at least should have been different than if you are using sampled instruments. But I also thought that one should be allowed to use synths to make sounds from scratch to make samples rather than if you used presets. But ought to have been and what is that is not the same and as I wrote in my answer in the other thread then I think that it really fast becomes really complicated if one wants try to to discern what is what.

In the case of using effects on ones own sounds then I do not know either how the IP laws are with respect to sounds produced so you would have to ask people that knows more about things than do I.

Basically however then I could imagine that if you are using sounds that you made yourself and then ran those sounds through an effects processor then it might or could be difficult to discern/tell if you used one effects processor rather than another. But as I wrote then you would have to ask people that knows more about these things than do I what is laws and rules.

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PoorFellow

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/51558/making-original-loops-samples-with-kontakt-instruments-for-cash

So, my question is: is it ok to make the loops/beats/samples with Kontakt/Leap Instruments/sounds for money? (As long as it uses the instruments, for example, Melody mode for Prime Bass, to compose original basslines/bass chord progressions and not already made bass loops that Prime Bass comes with)

Based on the answer to a somewhat similar recent question then I would say no. But the only ones that could give you a definitive answer to your question is N.I. Support

Ref. : Re: Commercial Use of Original Compositions in Sample Packs

Milos

Oke, thx for the Ni support recommendation, perhaps they can give the more assuring answer, since they know more about EULA!

Milos

PoorFellow, I checked, and yeah, it's not allowed for using the instruments even with the original melodies as loops/samples. A bit sad, considering that with the real-life instruments and devices, you could make samples and sell them, but not with virtual ones. Regardless, thank you!

Milos

Also, another question I have, @PoorFellow , is it ok to sell, for example, the sound effects that I make with the effect racks of Guitar Rig 7 (not the rack file of GR7 format, but the recorded sound of the, lets say, helicopter sound effect that I made with the effects of Guitar Rig 7)?
Since I also asked this to the NI support, it said that it's not sure, since unlike the VST instruments from NI, GR doesn't have such licenses, except for obvious ones I assume (reselling the GR7 product itseslf, trading it, modifying it without the permission etc.)

Vocalpoint

Pretty sure every single VST instrument that NI (or any other vendor) sells - is covered by exclusive IP and copyright rules.

Cannot imagine how any vendor would allowing any user to take their content and sell it for a profit.

Milos

Well, unless the person makes original melodies, riffs, basslines and beats with the instruments AND ask directly the NI staff for the permission (or any other vendor really)

Milos

but yeah, understandable

PoorFellow

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/267190#Comment_267190

Since I also asked this to the NI support, it said that it's not sure, since unlike the VST instruments from NI, GR doesn't have such licenses, except for obvious ones I assume (reselling the GR7 product itseslf, trading it, modifying it without the permission etc.)

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