Irrelevant audio devices in settings

Hey, I'm only ever switching between my Komplete Audio 6 and Z1. Why are they not the top two items on the list of audio devices? Either let users configure the list or at least keep the most used items on the top?

I understand Traktor can't know if I actually use the webcam my gf has hooked on my external monitor as an audio device…but maybe let us clean the list up or list them according to usage stats?

Thanks 🙏

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mykejb

Putting recently used at the top is a good suggestion, but I doubt it'll happen. I think that many audio devices is probably unusual, but have to say the first thing I do after a new Traktor install on Windows is to remove all the drivers for the NI hardware I don't have so the list is cut down a bit.

lord-carlos

Yes, it's quite annoying. It's rare that I have to change it, but when I do I have to dig through the list of similar sounding devices. Does not help that every device is there two times, wasapi and asio.

Kubrak

Some are even three times…. ASIO, WASAPI (exclusive), WASAPI (shared).

Would be great, if there is a switch what to see (ASIO, WASAPI and ASIO & WASAPI), or if there were shortlist with few drivers last used, say 5. I switch between 3-4 drivers, but the list has about 15 of them….

Vocalpoint

This listing is an OS level function. All apps simply pick up what is given to them.

If you want to clean up - and ideally base your entire rig around the Komplete Audio 6 - you need to start by removing (or disabling) devices and their drivers.

Example - you do not need Realtek whatsoever if you have your Komplete Audio as the primary. Then do the same for all the rest. Like all those AMD entries etc.

When I build an audio workstation - first thing that immediately get aced are all onboard audio devices. Disabled in the BIOS so the OS does not even know it is there.

This ensures my RME is the one and only audio interface that can ever be selected for use.

mykejb

That's ok if you have a dedicated audio workstation. For a general purpose PC where you have various other audio devices that you use for other purposes it's not really a practical solution.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/220200#Comment_220200

Well - I am typing this on a general-purpose WIn 11 24H2 PC - with a wireless Jabra speaker, a Logitech webcam, phones, media players and who knows what other doodads hooked up here and all of that goes thru my single RME ADI-2 FS.

The onboard Realtek is disabled and only a single audio device is exposed to all apps:

This is not hard to do - and ensures that all apps that every require an audio endpoint - get one. And only one.

QWER2580

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/220171#Comment_220171

Yeah I get that but … you know how many users are proficient in going to system manager entries and deleting instances of randomly named USB devices? Or always wanna remove the entry for all the bluetooth devices that occasionally get hooked up to your laptop? And my laptop is not always hooked up to gear so the Realtek is there for moments of Youtube on the sofa.

Let's just have Traktor offer the last devices used at the top of the list if it doesn't allow cleaning the list up :) That way I could trust the KA6 and the Z1 to always be where I want them, first in line. The list is pretty random now. I'm not even using any of the other Native devices, their drivers just got installed as part of something.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/220227#Comment_220227

Totally understand - everyone's use case is different - especially with a non-dedicated DAW machine.

I simply answered your thread question on "where" that list of drivers is coming from, why exactly none of them are "irrelevant" and what you can do to make it more manageable.

And - to be clear - once again - Traktor is most likely using a standard API call to the OS to fill that dialog box full of all the drivers on your machine. If you want it thinned down - you have to do that yourself.

Finally - given all the other issues with Traktor these days - I am guessing something like custom sorting of audio drivers is way down the list of priorities.

Been doing digital audio since 2000 and have had hundreds of apps in the studio here - have never come across any app that allowed custom driver sorting. Just sayin…

mykejb

@Vocalpoint Yeah I get that for people with the tech skills and hardware that they can use as a single endpoint. For people who need drivers for other hardware they use for other purposes it's not so good. For example I've got a TD27 drum kit that I need the drivers enabled for. Same with a Line6 Helix, and other hardware synths, plus a bunch of IO bridges from ProTools. Just installing Teams on a Mac gives you a Teams Audio device.

Vocalpoint

@mykejb

+1. Every situation is unique.

QWER2580

Also just saying…you know how Traktor keeps count of times played with tracks? It could just as easily keep count of audio devices selected and list those first. Where ever it pulls the list of devices from, it's utterly random. Last time I opened it my BT headphones were the first item on the list, before that it was some Traktor controller I don't even have.

While I'm not a professional coder, I know enough to say that whatever language they're coding this in, you could tell any AI chatbot to write code to sort the list according to usage and it'd come out pretty good.

For the love of god, even just sorting it with Traktor controller ASIO drivers first would be better than a random list of 30 items in a miniscule font! :)

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/220272#Comment_220272

Again - priorities. And Traktor is being "offered" that list from OS - it is not "pulling" it in any way.

Also note - your specific need - while totally valid - may not necessarily mean it will translate to other thousands (or tens of thousands) of other users out there. Everyone will have a different set of drivers, different workflow, different requirements around that listing.

As I noted previously - if I used Traktor - on my DAW - there would be one entry in that list. And only one.

Traktor can already deal with this perfectly - if you know how to tell the OS how to not "advertise" every driver it has.

lord-carlos

Again - priorities. And Traktor is being "offered" that list from OS - it is not "pulling" it in any way.
Also note - your specific need - while totally valid - may not necessarily mean it will translate to other thousands (or tens of thousands) of other users out there

I remember when users here said similar things about the screen flickering bug. Arguing semantics, "technically not a bug", "I think devs should focus on x y z".

You could copy paste that into most wishes and bugs.

Let people just say what they wish, write your workaround once and let them be. 🐝

Kubrak

I also use several audiointerfaces on one computer.

And it is not rocket science to get list of drivers from OS and sort them according to use. Something like current used drivers….

Sunborn

There are no "irrelevant settings", just different options to be used by different people.

If an audio device is inside your computer, the applications will present it to you as an option, either you like it either you don't. There is nothing to discuss.

That said, i have seen a bad tendency over the years… every new generation wants things easier, simpler… eh, at some point we have to draw a line. We are dealing with audio, with music, not with children's toys!

There is no gain, no knowledge, no effort and at the end, no real satisfaction if everything is "easy and simple"… there is no evolution, there is no brain work… music became a boring matter of "hobby" without real creation… should i continue….? 🙄

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