Upset over Maschine 3 software!
Native Instruments SUCKS! I just spent over $542.04 to upgrade to KOMPLETE 15 COLLECTORS EDITION and NI didn't include this (Maschine 3 software)? Never ever going to purchase from you in the future. I have spent nearly $5,000 with you folks and I'm a hobbyist producer, not something easy to do. In several years, you will be out of business on the software side of your income stream. It was going to be AI that can deliver any sounds to the person who can describe the sounds they want to hear. Pissing your customers off now won't help you. If you want to hang onto your income streams, treat your customers as well. Basically, you suck as a business.
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Komplete is a different product line to Maschine, it has never included Maschine
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Komplete is a different product line to Maschine, it has never included Maschine
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Completely different products, I don’t see how a Maschine update can be viewed as anything related to Komplete 15
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You should have read the contents before clicking BUY NOW.
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You’re going to hang your hat on that answer? You’re missing the point. I’ve spent over $5,000 with NI, and that’s the response you give me? LOL. You’re not getting another dollar from me. I invested in your top-of-the-line products (Collector’s Edition), expecting loyalty to be reciprocated, but NI should treat its loyal customers like the lifeblood of the company. Oh well…
NI and Francisco Partners, AI is coming for your jobs. Many companies are now focused on achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI) and, eventually, artificial super-intelligence (ASI). This transition could happen within the next several years. And long before AGI reaches its full potential, I’ll have the freedom to produce music without Native Instruments.
Sam Altman has promised that ChatGPT-5 will be pushing the limits of AGI for applications like music creation! And if it doesn’t happen with ChatGPT-5, ChatGPT-6 is expected by 2026 or 2027, which should easily make it possible to create and manipulate any sound I can imagine. I could play these sounds directly on my Native Instruments S-Series Komplete Kontrol S88 MK3 keyboard—absolutely any sound I want! That day is coming sooner than expected. NI could soon be little more than a MIDI controller company. I love the S88 MK3! But other models, like the S61 MK3 and S49 MK3, should be reconsidered.
iZotope, on the other hand, is a true gem in software audio. Talk to me in a few years when AI is fully integrated into this space. Francisco Partners, I hope you’re aware of how short-term your investment may be.
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You do realise iZotope and Native Instruments are the same company?Couldn’t care about AI generated music, I compose my own music for fun and there’s millions like me
Never in the history of NI (or for that matters say Aturia etc) have they included new products released after the release of Komplete bundles, in those Komplete bundles. Anything released after Komplete 15 won’t appear in Komplete until Komplet 16. That has always been the case. There would also never be any reason to upgrade if they gave new stuff away after Komplete’s release dateI’ve spent a ton of money too, I also own collectors edition plus other stuff of theirs
They would go out of business if they gave all their newer stuff away for free to existing CE owners, Maschine is only £25.
As others have said, Maschine software has never ever been part of Kompkete.******** EDIT. ******** EDIT
Apologies, was having a bad day, no excuse for me to be rude, I've removed the rest of what I said. I've replaced it with:
It's one of those things that happens to all software companies when they either bring out new products or updates right after pushing their current software (Steinberg are getting it from some people who bought Cubase 13 Pro in the September and have to pay another £83 now to upgrade to Cubase 14 Pro).Claire just released, to the best of my knowledge that isn't in CE 15, it's always been the case.
Grace periods are an odd thing, take Steinberg, they were giving 70% off in their September 40 year sale, at those prices they were never ever ever going to include the sale products in their grace period.
Then again the one circumstance I can understand peoples greviances in that particular case, someone cross grading from a competitor to Cubase 13 Pro and finding within a month there's only going to be one maintenance release then that's it, your on your own, or you can pay $100 and upgrade to 14 Pro. I can understand that particular group feeling a little miffed.
Likewise people are complaining they are a couple of days outside of the Steinberg grace period, if I was one of those, I too would ask Steinberg of they would make an exception for me, but I wouldn't expect it.
(I know I keep talking about Steinberg, it's only because I' ve spent so much time on that forum this week)
If we think about it, if a company gives a grace period cut off date of October the 9th
Person A buys it on October the 6th and says "Please include me, it's only 3 days outside"
Company agrees and includes those who bought it on October the 6th.
Person B comes along, "I bought mine on October 3rd, only 3 days earlier, can I be included please"
Person C bought Sep 30th ….
Person D bought Sep 27 th …..
……..
Person N "I bought mine on September 3rd, only 3 days earlier, can I be included please"
Person O "I bought mine on August 31st, only 3 days earlier, can I be included please"
……….
Person Y "I bought mine on August 7th , only 3 days earlier, can I be included please"Person Z "I bought mine on August 4th, only 3 days earlier, can I be included please"
They simply have to give a finite date and some people will always feel hard done by.
Komplete 14 CE is superb, 15 CE is also superb but I have bought a load of extras since 14 was released.
Since I bought 14CE, I've also bought (and a couple of extra things too)
Kontakt 8, Guitar rig 7 Pro, Session Percussionist
I bought those as soon as they were released.
It's £449 for me to upgrade from 14CE to 15CE, There's literally nothing in 15 CE that I want right now, there's plenty I would enjoy playing around with, but nothing that screams "want, want, want".
Certainly nothing to justify that price even though compared to the full price, it's a very good deal. I'm now at the point where I might never upgrade to the next CE (said that before though lol), as it's cheaper for me to buy the extra things I really really want, rather than upgrade and get a ton of things I don't.
I understand the bad press NI have been getting and they do deserve a fair amount of it since their take over.
But, I imagine there's enough things to keep you occupied for years in your current CE so I wouldn't focus too much on what you haven't got, enjoy what you have.
PS: I don't want to be a hypocrite, being honest, I too in the past have complained on forums about the very type of thing you are complaining about (not NI forum though, I don't think) so I do understand where you're coming from. over the years (and since a major health incident) I've tried to mellow out,
Again, apologies for loosing it
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LOL. I do realize iZotope and Native Instruments are the same company and owned by Francisco Partners. My point is that iZotope is going to get hit with the AI mega-storm, which will affect their investment. And I have not been rude to anybody on this thread. You, on the other hand, are being rude and attacking me. But no problem. I thought that this chat vehicle was to raise concerns for the customer. You probably don't understand AI and its implications for anyone's music production, but you will soon. Finally, it's you that doesn't get my point. If companies are going to be successful, there is a different way to do business. Ojustaboo, you are probably British because no one says, "But seeing your childish drivel, well just shut up and go away please" You are just too funny to understand.
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I have not been rude to anybody on this thread
ROFL! Really? Saying that the company sucks (twice), that they will go out of business, that they're p*****g off customers. You think that's polite? 🤣
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@bkisslak I still do not get the point of this conversation (except that it is pure ranting).
So you are pissed because you payed 29USD for Maschine 3 and also, that there is no AI included that writes whole tracks for you?
If you want that, NI and iZotope are the wrong choice of software, there are plenty AI-MusicMakers out there0 -
Personally I think your response to posters who have responded to you, came across a little rude.
But I also take your point about me, I was rude to you and there was no need for it.
I have edited my post, removed the rude bits and added a further bit
Please accept my apology
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Wow! Thank you. I understand that you may have a different opinion than mine, but it's all good.
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I first bought Komplete 9 or 11 for the instruments to use with my MPC X. I saw Maschine and thought it was a sytnth. I opened it and thought it was weird: colorful sections. It took me a few months to relize that it required a MK3. I thought ,wow, i can use all these NI instruments PLUS VST 3s and VSTs in this software and it does the same ****** the MPC X does? Im in. I got the MK3 and the S-61 . Man that ****** did not do what the MPC software did at all. Maschine was just like some sequencer for NI instruments. The sampler was and still is horrible. The tuning distorts samples, no live warping, no changeing pitch,no key detention. This software is really trash. You can't even change the pitch of a kick,which they seem obsessed with selling via a thousand expansion kits. Zone says one key,then in keyboard mode it says the pad is middle c. Byt yea,Maschine did come with Komplete. NI just knows its customers want more out of Maschine so the 3 update which just adds stems and basically basic ****** other software has had for years( ie,bounce in place, mp3 file compatibility) is a cow they tryna milk till the cows come home. Maschine is dead. Komplete is in ICU, and Native Instruments as a company as fell to the dark side. Move on my brothee. Get a MPC or a Push 3.
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I appreciate the advice. I’m going with Push3. Thanks
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