No MIDI Sending To Ext Hardware - Why Is This Difficult?

Antonio B
Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member
edited October 22 in Maschine

Ive tried everything. Never have I ever had this kind of difficulty creating a simple midi connection to an external synth in all the years of using gear. Why does this have to be so difficult? Can anyone tell me what could be going on? Info:

  1. All midi channels (ch. 1) are set correctly on Hydrasyth. (I know my Hydra inside out. There is nothing wrong on that end of things)
  2. I tried multiple ch. settings in multiple places on the Maschine Plus…Focus, etc.
  3. I included screenshots
  4. Im using Mascine Plus as a controller (the only way I use it).
  5. Midi out is going into midi in of hydrasynth

Thanks

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  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,019 mod

    Is your Maschine in MIDI mode?

    https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/210264145-How-to-Switch-Your-Native-Instruments-Controller-to-MIDI-Mode

  • darkwaves
    darkwaves Member Posts: 433 Guru

    I'm a bit confused by the screenshots. If you're hosting maschine as a VST in ableton then the maschine screenshots should show "host" as an option. If you're using it in standalone, I think you should be using the entry showing "Machine Plus (Maschine Plus)" (though mine reads "Maschine Plus MIDI").

    Can you explain how you're setup in terms of using ableton and maschine?

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    I don't use Ableton. I'm simply using Machine + in controller mode and using Machine software. Not sure where you are getting Ableton in this? Thx the screen shots are the music settings in chanel 1

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    Yikes! I read the info from the link you sent. Seriously? I have to switch to an entirely different mode to have a single track/group/sound send midi to an external synth ? Forget it if that's the case.

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    I dont need to be in midi mode when usining usb midi connection when connecting circuit tracks. Why is it different for din midi?

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    I think I know the issue - Its in controller mode. That would explain why using my usb port on my computer to send midi with Maschine works but sending midi directly out of Mascine doesnt.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,019 mod

    Yes it needs to be in MIDI mode

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    Is this a MAschine + thing? It seems pretty simple on maschine MK3. Looking at Youtube tutorials, they connect midi cables and it shows up in settings in midi - without midi mode.

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,579 mod
    edited August 12 Answer ✓
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/171827#Comment_171827

    No, MIDI Mode is not required to simply send MIDI Out, otherwise we would not be able to use Maschine to control synths.

    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/171824#Comment_171824

    It's simpler, you're using the "Virtual MIDI Driver" - That's a virtual 'cable' for the software, only works within the computer and apps even with no controller connected.

    To send MIDI Out to external gear either use the "Maschine Plus" driver + DIN MIDI Cable, or connect your synth via USB to your computer and it should show up in the Maschine Pad MIDI Out list to talk to it directly thru it's own driver, you might have to enable it in the preferences.

    Maschine Plus 5-Pin MIDi Out.png

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,019 mod
    edited August 11
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/171832#Comment_171832

    Ah I see, I stand corrected :) I thought that was what MIDI mode was for

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    Thanks - that did not make sense that I would have to use midi mode. Unfortunately, the hydra isn't usb midi. So din cable only option.I'll give it a try but I thought I tried everything. Ill let you know how it goes Thx!

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member

    No - this did not work. I didn't think it would as I already tried that before asking my question.

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,579 mod
    edited August 11
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/171834#Comment_171834

    Humm… Which one do have you exactly? Both Hydrasynth Desk and Keys state they have USB MIDI on their website product pages.

  • Antonio B
    Antonio B Member Posts: 116 Member
    edited August 11

    Desktop - Ya, for some reason, i thought the usb was for updating only.

    1. Im seeing it now show up in midi settings.

    2. That still doesnt solve using it with din only unfortunately becayse…

    3. The USB works but…igetting the dreaded USB ring noise. I dont have that USB noise with other usb devices set up the same way. But even if I shut down Hydra, ring is still there until I disconnect cable. ugh

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,579 mod
    edited August 11
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/171837#Comment_171837

    While researching if the Hydra's have MIDI via USB I found tons of posts about ground loop, so it seems more susceptible to it (?).

    When i have this issue the 2 things fix it:

    #1 Plug things into separate wall outlets, try to separate the hydra from the computer/speakers outlets.

    #2 Make sure to use USB cables with ferrite beads.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2c6fKOu-vo

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