Odd Behaviors with Action Strings 2 in Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt in Ableton Live

DunedinDragon

I'm on the latest releases of both KK and Kontakt and I've uncovered what seems to be an anomaly with Action Strings 2 in the way it gets converted from MIDI to a .WAV in Ableton 11 on Windows 10. To be honest I don't know if it's just Ableton or if it's in Action Strings.

Within the project I can mix an Action Strings track perfectly balanced with the other MIDI tracks. However, when the tracks are converted by Freeze and Flatten into individual WAV files, all the other tracks retain their same volume they have within the project. But the Action Strings track volume drops to almost nothing and the visual audio representation in the Ableton audio track represents it has clearly dropped in volume during the conversion. The only way this doesn't happen is when I convert the individual track to audio directly either as a WAV or MPG. However, when I convert all the tracks in bulk through the same process, the output of the Action Strings drops as it does in all other cases in comparison to the other tracks.

I'd just like to find out if anyone else is experiencing the same thing with Action Strings 2 in other DAWs which would indicate there's a problem within Action Strings. I find it hard to believe it's a problem in Ableton as I've been doing these types of conversions on a regular weekly basis for several years across tons of various NI and non NI plugins and this is the first time I've seen it on any plugin.

Jeremy_NI

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/34657/odd-behaviors-with-action-strings-2-in-komplete-kontrol-and-kontakt-in-ableton-live

First of all, sorry to get back to you so late after the initial post.

What sample frequency did you setup in Ableton?

If you use Kontakt instead of Komplete Kontrol and freeze that track, do you get the same result?

Could you recreate the issue in a small Ableton project and post it here? I could try and reproduce the issue.

DunedinDragon

I'm not sure what you mean by "sample frequency". The process used in Ableton is a stock function that first freezes the parameters on a selected MIDI track, then flattens and converts it to a .WAV file stored in a specific directory related to that project. There are other ways to do it in Ableton but they all have the same problem with that plugin.

Yes, I've used both Kontakt and Komplete Kontrol and get the same results.

I might try and create a small Ableton project the demonstrates the problem but it won't be anytime soon given my workload at the moment. Maybe in a couple of weeks. I actually have a workaround for now where I send the output of the Action Strings track to an audio track and it doesn't get affected. It's only when I do it in bulk across all the tracks that it happens, which kind of infers it may be an Ableton problem. But it only appears on that particular plugin. So who knows??

Jeremy_NI

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/174504#Comment_174504

I just mean what sample frequency set in Ableton, in the Record & Warp section. In the past there were issues with Kontakt & Komplete Kontrol having odd behaviours when tracks were converted to audio, it would only happen at certain sample frequencies set in the DAW.

No rush, feel free to come back to it when needed.