Will be OK to use charger listed below for Kontrol S88 mk3 ?

Kuba Axeman
Kuba Axeman Member Posts: 10 Member
Will be OK to use charger listed below for Kontrol S88 mk3 ?
USB C , Anker Nano II 30W Fast Charger Adapter, GaN II Compact Charger
US Specs:
Input: 100-240V~ 1A 50-60Hz
Output:
5.0V==3.0A 15W
9.0V==3.0A 27W
15.0V==2.0A 30W
20.0V==1.5A 30W

Thanks in advance.
PS
I know S88 mk3 requirements, asking if multiple output voltages are OK or it is recommended to use fixed 5V output charger.
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  • Kuba Axeman
    Kuba Axeman Member Posts: 10 Member
    Answer ✓
    Guys, Thank you very much for a full explanation of the topic.
    I didn't know anything about USB-PD "profiles" or negotiation between “some chips” built in charger and S88 so that is where my concern came from. The S88 is very expensive for me, so I want to be sure that if I plug in something it won’t burn it. All my previous instruments/gear came with dedicated power supplies with unique plugs. So there was no thinking involved. If you have any suggestions of other good for the S88 and currently available chargers then let me know. I really appreciate your help.
    Best regards
    Kuba.
  • Kuba Axeman
    Kuba Axeman Member Posts: 10 Member
    Answer ✓

    Thank you all again, including recent post by reffahcs and acceptance of the question by Jeremy_NI.

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  • Ojustaboo
    Ojustaboo Member Posts: 140 Helper
    edited February 7

    I use a Dell (3rd party) laptop 20V 3.25A 65W charger on my s88 mk3 and it works fine.

    back of mine (pic below) shows similar to yours although mine doesn’t show wattage (easy to work out)

    As far as amps and wattage is concerned, a device will only draw what it needs, my charger is saying, if needed it can go up to 65 watts

    There’s various USB standards, apart from USB-PD (which is what mine and the one you’re looking at are), all the other USB specs are 5V. USB-PD can support up to 20V, 5A, 100W. The USB-PD also states it HAS to also support 5V, 9V and 15V. Many also support 12V but that’s not part of the standard.

    Wattage is simply voltage multiplied by amps. Hence:

    5V at 1.5A will draw 7.5W

    5V at 3A will draw 15W

    20V at 5A will draw 100W

    So if a device is using 5V and 1.5A, it will draw 7.5W, doesn’t matter how many watts the power supply can deliver, that’s how many watts are needed.

    Likewise if a 5V device only wants 1.5A, doesn’t matter if the power supply is 3A, 1.5A is all it will use.

    Think about your wall socket, in UK it’s 13A. When you plug in say a phone charger, a router, a games console etc it doesn’t draw anything like 13A, but plug in a 3000W kettle, it will use 12.5 amps ( to find amps it’s watts divided by volts, so 3000w / 240v in Uk)



  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 2,913 mod

    Hello,

    this shouldn´t be a problem, the charger will, in the case of the S88 MK3, never output more than 5V, cause this needs some chips to communicate with each other and what not.

  • reffahcs
    reffahcs Member Posts: 800 Pro

    The multiple voltages are the different USB-PD "profiles" that @Ojustaboo mentioned. It's really just to let you know if you want to charge something super fast it can go up to 20 volts @ 30 watts.

    My laptop for example needs 65 watts to charge while it's powered on. So knowing that, your charger wouldn't be a good fit for my laptop. But Ojustaboo's Dell charger would be a perfect match.

    The short answer is that USB-PD will negotiate between the charger and device to be charge and picked whatever is the best that can be supported. Anker is a solid brand, but this is why you need to be cautious of cheap USB power supplies.

  • Kuba Axeman
    Kuba Axeman Member Posts: 10 Member
    Answer ✓
    Guys, Thank you very much for a full explanation of the topic.
    I didn't know anything about USB-PD "profiles" or negotiation between “some chips” built in charger and S88 so that is where my concern came from. The S88 is very expensive for me, so I want to be sure that if I plug in something it won’t burn it. All my previous instruments/gear came with dedicated power supplies with unique plugs. So there was no thinking involved. If you have any suggestions of other good for the S88 and currently available chargers then let me know. I really appreciate your help.
    Best regards
    Kuba.
  • reffahcs
    reffahcs Member Posts: 800 Pro

    Yeah I'm still surprised given all the issues with compatibility, needing USB-C hubs etc... that NI just didn't toss in a power supply they knew would work.

    I use this hub and it works great for my S61 MK3, using the factory single USB-C cable. It's a powered hub so it should work fine for the S88 as well. I bought it specifically because I have a Mac Studio, so I can plug it into the back USB-A 3.2 ports and still connect USB-C to the hub, and it's pretty cheap too. But there are definitely other USB hubs that will work.

    Personally I like having a powered hub instead of a single dedicated "charger" for a device because hubs are more versatile. A 65 watt or even 30 watt power supply just for the S88 is pretty overkill.

  • Kuba Axeman
    Kuba Axeman Member Posts: 10 Member
    Answer ✓

    Thank you all again, including recent post by reffahcs and acceptance of the question by Jeremy_NI.

  • BIF
    BIF Member Posts: 448 Pro

    I think it may be prohibitively expensive to try to figure out what power supplies work in which countries. By comparison, a USB-C plug is a USB-C plug, no matter in the world where you are.

    Also, power supplies are little transformers and they're not clean and pure as the wind-driven snow to make. They require magnets, copper windings, management firmware, and lots of chemicals to make. There may even be an environment tax to sell such devices in some countries. There could be many reasons why manufacturers just don't include them anymore, but hassle factor is probably high on the list.

  • reffahcs
    reffahcs Member Posts: 800 Pro

    What's to figure out? The international power supply "problem" has been solved a long time ago. Universal AC adapters have been around for quite some time, it's not exactly cutting edge tech.

    If Native Instruments was able to source a universal AC/DC adapter for the Maschine+ then there's no reason why they couldn't source one for the Kontrol MK3 keyboards. They simply didn't do it because they wanted to save cost and they assumed everyone has a spare USB-C charger sitting around collecting dust so nobody would care.

  • Ojustaboo
    Ojustaboo Member Posts: 140 Helper

    Yep, I THINK in the EU it was decided not to keep supplying new chargers with every product as most people had one or two already sitting in a drawer somewhere, and too many were being chucked away and ending in land fill.

    Problem with the S series is that it uses USB-C and while many people might have USB-C, many others don’t, for instance my PC has no USB-C ports, my iPhone isn’t new enough to have USB-C, my iPad does have it, but I use that every day for charging.

    From what I can gather, if I’ve understood correctly, if you have the mk3 88 note, you’re going to need a charger, this should at least be made very very clear on adverts (with a link to suitable chargers, while I might know what to get, many people wouldn’t have a clue) my new S88 sat there for a day while I waited for Amazon to deliver one as I was not made aware in advance that I needed one. not a happy start. I do think that if this is the case, they should have included one in the box, there’s too many dodgy ones on Amazon etc

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