"vendor" tag in M+ ?

GregRocksSoHard · 2023-08-27T10:40:44+00:00

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Can I get Maschine+ to filter user one-shots and loops by Vendor in Standalone mode? I'm using the same file hierarchy as my software. It works as expected there.

I have all my samples tagged and sorted and added via M+'s 'library' menus to the SD Card.

Everything looks right. I go to one-shot => user and all the folders I added are there and internally fine. Tags (besides Vendor) and Folder hierarchy are right.

I want to filter those samples by Vendor. So I twist the far-left knob. It only shows "All Vendors" and "Other."

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Kai_NI

Hey all,

A bit late to the party, but here to let you know that we will be queueing this up for investigation and fixing.

GregRocksSoHard

Dear Lord. So I can either sort by vendor with one layer of categories or have a huge list of unsorted tiles and 2 layers of abstraction?

That's ... what? Really? 🙄

And seriously. Am I the only person who wants this to work in standalone the way I'm describing? If updates come as often as they've looked to come so far I guess I've got a few choices to make.

I don't see why the "User Content" folder can't just act the way libraries do in controller mode.

ozon

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/111344#Comment_111344

Hi Kai, thank you very much for letting us know.

This would be very helpful, as of know I have a hard time filtering and navigating my later added custom samples.

ozon

Works for me. In my User library of One-Shots, all Vendors are listed for my custom samples. Are you sure you used the correct field to tag the Vendor in the Maschine application?

ozon

@D-One wrote:

Vendor sorting is for Plugins (Instruments and FX), so that's a no-go - but there's solutions that can work similarly.

(Well, to be more specific any non-official vendors shows up as "Other", all bunched up... there are solutions but generally require using terminal scripts to modify files so it's not a very user-friendly approach)

Hm. It works as expected for me, and has for many years in the Maschine application. I made User sample libraries from old sample CDs and fully tagged them, including the Vendor attribute.

ozon

@D-One offered:

To avoid your packs to be bunched up with the User "Maschine 2" lib just place your folder wherever you want in the SD Card then on the M+ go to:

- Settings>User>Add - Navigate to your folder and add it, it's name will determine how it shows up on the browser.

Wow, I didn't know that feature!

I just tried it... and it is insanely buggy! Vendor tags indeed don't work at all and all sorts of other weird things are happening, such as products cannot be selected or banks appear under wrong products. For me a huge step backwards from the very stable User Content approach.

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91097#Comment_91097

I'm confused now...

You can use the Vendor category in the One-Shots/Loops browser to select custom vendors on the M+ in standalone mode?

That only works for me in the desktop version / controller mode, with exactly the same folder added as a lib it and tagged samples.

M+ Standalone:

Controller Mode:

ozon

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91110#Comment_91110

It did work, until I tried your suggestions of adding custom directories (under newly created /Library), and reverted back to having everything as layed out above. Now the Vendor list doesn’t work anymore. ******!!!

🤬

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91104#Comment_91104

Oh, sorry missed this post. Humm... interesting, so it has Bugs. Kind of crazy since this has been out for a long, long time and I didn't see anyone complaining...

With the method you described my samples end up in a main thumbnail called "User Content", no vendor separation, so "Banks/Folder" is the only way to separate packs - This technically works but it's still silly that we can't have packs separated by main thumbnail + vendor separation as that's how Expansions work, would make things a lot more consistent and muscle memory friendly.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91112#Comment_91112

AHAHAHA OH MY GAWD. I'm so sorry, geez... What a buggy mess. This might explain the above scenario I am experiencing.

I wonder if only 0.001% of M+ users actually work with more than just presets and expansions? It's baffling to me that there are not 100 threads about this if it's this buggy.

ozon

@D-One uttered:

AHAHAHA OH MY GAWD

Glad Io entertain you! 😅

On a more scientific note: My experience means that Vendor tags obviously used to work on the M+.

Reflecting the situation, I remember to have set up my User Content libraries right after receiving my M+ around October 2020. I haven’t changed much since then, except for adding new Samples to my already existing „ozon“ bank. Until yesterday.

Also, I didn’t move that „ozon“ bank, and the respective Vendor tag does still work.

The flaky behavior with skipping Products and showing Banks under wrong Products is something I’ve observed before and may be due to the bank direcories containing other files (pdf, utility files, zip) as well.

Going to file a bug report.

GregRocksSoHard

@D-One Can you link me the terminal process you're talking about? I'm generally comfortable with shell scripting and would like to see what I'm in for.

darkwaves

I did a post last november about the organization of the user library of M+. I noticed vendor didn't work for me back then; but I just assumed that's how it worked. I never looked into it any further. Kind of interesting to see it working when using the User Content folder. I was copying stuff to a usb stick.

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91147#Comment_91147

Oh, then it should be easy for you, it's just regular commands with a Python script, called NimBank. It can edit any tag like "Product" for example (non-editable in Maschine sw) which allows your custom Groups/Projects to have their own main icon in the browser... Now that I think about I am not sure it will help much for this specific problem but if you are familiar with Shell you can def use it to tag your packs much, much faster.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91143#Comment_91143

Sorry, reading that back now it sounded kind of rude.

Moving everything back to where it was, removing the newly added user-lib and doing a full reboot + scan doesn't fix it?

I don't think it's related to other filetypes as I don't have anything other than .wavs; I'll do some more tests to try and figure this out.

ozon

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/91164#Comment_91164

Well, as it seems it doesn’t work anymore for newly copied libraries, but keeps working for old ones as long as you don’t change their location.

Which means it’s probably more related to scanning than keeping that information.

ozon

@D-One wrote

Sorry, reading that back now it sounded kind of rude.

Absolutely no offense taken! Although I was pretty mad at first because my working tags were ruined, I found the whole thing to be quite hilarious myself!!

Moving everything back to where it was, removing the newly added user-lib and doing a full reboot + scan doesn't fix it?

No. Unfortunately not.

Which tells me that registering the Vendor doesn’t work anymore regardless of the location and way to add the user sample bank.

I don't think it's related to other filetypes as I don't have anything other than .wavs; I'll do some more tests to try and figure this out.

I try removing all the non-audio files, but it’s quite tiresome and boring to do all that testing. Very kind of you to spend more of your valuable time on this.

Frankly, I would expect someone from the Maschine team to become proactive about such issues.

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