Native Instruments Apple Silicon M1 Compatibility

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  • eandrew
    eandrew Member Posts: 18 Member
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/32960#Comment_32960

    https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014683497-Apple-Silicon-M1-M2-Compatibility-News?_ga=2.22171515.1323243770.1664121168-1813787996.1664121168

  • mibarbaro
    mibarbaro Member Posts: 3 Member

    Great News! Definitly going to upgrade to KOMPLETE 14 now!

  • James Duffy
    James Duffy Member Posts: 3 Member
    edited September 2022

    While I appreciate receiving an update, tbh, this is a bad joke. Two products run natively..TWO!? As a Komplete Ultimate 13 Collector's Edition owner, my enthusiasm for your products and use of your products has plummeted. I've moved on.

    In early 2023, with Komplete 14, we get a PAID upgrade option for M1 support...yet by then M2 has been rolled out. Wait two more years for M2 support?!?!

    I will not invest further in the NI platform.

    Good luck.

  • Iceman the Dj
    Iceman the Dj Member Posts: 32 Helper

    No M1 compatibility for Traktor?

  • mikezee
    mikezee Member Posts: 6 Member

    for me everything native instruments work on my Mac M1 .. no issues at all

  • synchronizerman
    synchronizerman Member Posts: 14 Member

    Why would things working on M1 not work on M2? The whole idea was to do a one-time port to the new architecture unless there’s skme crazy hard-coding at play. Apple is releasing a new chip every year. Will we have to wait two years every to use NI instruments for each chip update. I certainly hope not. That would be unacceptable, really.

  • mrkeeny
    mrkeeny Member Posts: 5 Member

    Too little, too late for me. Have replaced my Komplete control and removing all reliance on NI including Traktor and controllers.

  • Richard Marchand
    Richard Marchand Member Posts: 20 Member

    Mmmmm, an iPad M1 Pro AUV3 version of Massive and company would be niiiice...

  • ntula
    ntula Member Posts: 13 Member

    Is there any sort of grace period for those, with unreg'ed, that purchased K13 who had an M1 now that K14 is coming out and K13 was mostly useless for those with M1s.

  • 25Kyz
    25Kyz Member Posts: 28 Member

    Yeah!! We get M- support 2 years after it has been released!! That's awesome... Well, we know Apple is planning on making a m3 chip whilst we still wait on m1 support. Yeah I'm done investing in NI products for the foreseeable future. Hell it's mainly expansions anyway. There was a time when NI was the leader in this game... now its business model has sorely been replaced.

  • David Das
    David Das Member Posts: 10 Member

    I think I'm reading this right, but just to confirm: first-generation Komplete Kontrol keyboards won't have any problems with Apple Silicon, right?

    (It's understood that the KK application is currently running in Rosetta but will eventually be Apple Silicon native.) I'm just making sure that the first-get hardware itself will continue to work and we don't have to worry about it never being compatible with Apple Silicon.

  • synchronizerman
    synchronizerman Member Posts: 14 Member

    The part that scares me is that M2 is barely any different from M1 besides some improved specs here and there. Why would M1-supported products (basically just Kontakt and now Guitar Rig) not work on M2? If NI is programming the software correctly, shouldn't it just work on M2 straight away after M1 support is achieved? Perhaps it's inline ASM or platform-specific things causing issues, but this should not be an issue for the same architecture.

  • Ronny Bangsund
    Ronny Bangsund Member Posts: 71 Helper

    There's zero difference between M1 and M2 from an actual programming perspective. If there are new instructions on M2 for the various processors, they're hidden behind the Metal and ML APIs. Use common interfaces, let the OS handle hardware-specifics. The low-level code is the same instruction set (I certainly never needed to recompile any arm64 code I built).

    It's probably just a CYA thing from NI because they haven't got M2 devices to test on yet, or QA is still in progress. They don't even guarantee anything beyond M1, but what little I've tested so far works on M1 Max.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,144 Expert

    Well, M2 is not much different from M1 concerning CPU, but there are differences. It should work, but nothing is ever granted for sure....

    For example Traktor, that runs fine on M1, had severe problems on M1 Pro/Max/Ultra. And it is more close to M1 CPU architecture than M1...

    So, I understand NI is cautious and waits to guarantie M2 will be just fine. But generally, yes M2 should run NI SW run just fine, if it runs fine on M1...

  • Mike STM
    Mike STM Member Posts: 4 Member

    Hi NI,

    Thanks for the update. That’s good news, and appreciate the communication, let’s hope you can deliver to those timescales.

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