Maschine plus upgrades (ableton push 3 released)

ozon

@D-One wrote:

I agree the price is insane

IDK… it costs less than a decent Neumann microphone or some Akai samplers when they were released back in the day (MPC60 ca. 7'000€, S-1000 ca. 13'000€). Seems fine for professional musical instruments and studio gear.

myalteredsoul

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74189#Comment_74189

That’s actually a point I forget sometimes. We have been spoiled with affordable hardware in recent years.

olafmol

True. If you look at the second-hand market currently, it's insane how much value for money you can get. Second-hand marketplaces are currently being flooded with Akai MPC One's for around 500 euro, Maschine Plus for around 750 euro, Maschine MK3 for around 400 euros, Ableton Push 2's for about 450 euros etc. It was never better!

Flexi

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74155#Comment_74155

You were focusing on bigging up one product at the expense of another, and used a completely false argument, three MPC Ones is cheaper than a single Push 3, that number is the number you suggested you would need to buy to upgrade the MPC eco to the latest greatest, and you didn't even factor in the price of the extra upgrade you would have to buy for the Push 3, which going by current example would be more costly than another MPC One, so that makes four.

And you completely missed the point that that completely negates the whole idea of upgradability being this huge game changer you seem to think it is, it is not, for it to be a huge game changer they had to support standard hardware that anybody could upgrade, they had to do it at a price point that matches or betters currently available solutions, other wise as show, by your example (buying three MPC Ones) it is a completely false economy.

If anybody wants to buy it at that price, good on them, and as for me fishing out an argument, nope, just replying, maybe you are a bit sensitive to people not agreeing with you?

tetsuneko

Apple machines can be stupid expensive but can also be kind of affordable. I love my newish M1 Macbook Air, cost me 900€ (12 month interest free purchase plan, no less), totally fanless, battery lasts for a full day.. I'm not even sure comparable PC laptops exist, but then again, haven't been looking at PC's for years.

I think Push 3 pricing is ok, especially the controller version. Not sure the upgrade kit or the standalone is worth it, but then again, people have several Elektron grooveboxes, each costing 1500€ so.. And let's not even go to Teenage Engineering prices 😹

Regarding Push 3, I read that someone already created an "arranger mode" for the standalone using Max4live.. and I also read that Push 3 is able to realtime record an arragement, even if you cannot edit it standalone. While I love my Maschine+, I cannot deny feeling a bit jealous of Push 3 users

djadidai

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74262#Comment_74262

“While I love my Maschine+, I cannot deny feeling a bit jealous…” describes exactly how I feel also.

OhulahanBass

Yup, I too am a bit jelly. But, give us editable automation on the screens, a few more NI plugs and a Maschine jam mk2 with MPE and I'd forget all about push ;-)

I really wish we could get some sign or communication from NI if M+ will have any development in 2023...

djadidai

M+ is a fantastic instrument still, I don’t min lacking probability or poly touch, but I do agree on more usage of the screens, eq, automations, or other stuff. MPE would be nice to have. But really that’s the only thing that I think I miss the most. I like the fact that the automations are “manual”, gives a different feel, a human feel some would say, instead of a “humanize” feature or whatever that function is called. We already have “dehumanize” :) quant

djadidai

I’m thinking that if Reaktor would be inside M+, that would be awesome. Imagine all crazy users who know how to create stuff in Reaktor for M+ would show some love in the community and share their stuff. Or even better, M+ users might create more stuff on their own! Learn how to work it!

wzdm.85

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74173#Comment_74173

Yeah, but then users would need iPad, which would suck. I thought the idea was to simplify by going standalone.

Cretin Dilettante

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74255#Comment_74255

I gotta agree with this. The fact that you have to buy specialized parts, instead of having some options like you would with a PC, kinda negates the right to repair friendly intent of the Push 3. I can put a wide variety of SSD and HDD brands in my thinkpad, as well as a variety of brands of RAM. So why is Push 3 so special? Why not just buy a NUC and have it permanently wired to a Push 2 & Behringer interface w/ ADAT, then configure it to launch straight into live on boot? If you were to add a portable touch monitor to that setup, you would still spend less than the total price of the Push 3.

darkwaves

lol @ this place devolving into childish gearspace drama.

nightjar

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74318#Comment_74318

Everything you say here.. BUT... substitute an iPad for the NUC. Much better solution for portability, battery, and you get the touch monitor too!

nightjar

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74313#Comment_74313

With smart design of "mating" an iPad to a new NI controller.. it could be made simple and elegant for portability .And design an optional audio interface as a slot on the back panel of this new NI controller.

And this same new NI controller could be used without an iPad when attached to your desktop rig.

Smart, Smart, Smart!

ozon

Yes, great, base a product on a heavily overpriced unrepairable fashion item with a built-in three year obsolescence made by a company notoriously ignoring standards.

Stupid, stupid, stupid!