Session horns pro articulations

NordicNative
NordicNative Member Posts: 6 Member
edited October 2024 in Kontakt

Hi there,

I have the same problem as described here:

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/7578/session-horns-pro-articulations

The lowest setting for the octaves you get in the plugin is "+0"; however, then the highest note to play is F1 on an 88-note keyboard, and so the red articulation keys are out of reach. I've tried with different masterkeyboards. What am I doing wrong?

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  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 4,213 mod

    As described in the linked post, you have to use the octave switch on your keyboard, depending on your DAW you could also use midi FX for that purpose.

  • peganmor
    peganmor Member Posts: 5 Member

    Thanks for the information.

  • NordicNative
    NordicNative Member Posts: 6 Member

    Hi Uwe, thanks for you answer, I've tried that, of course, but the octave shift does not seem to be sent via Midi. I'm using a Nord Stage 3 and Cubase Pro 9.5. I've also tried transpose and pitch shifter options in the DAW, but they only affect the notes, not the display of the virtual keyboard in Session Horns Pro. It has 88 keys, I don't understand why they should not automatically be mapped to the 88 keys of any midi input keyboard.

  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 4,213 mod
    edited July 2023

    Octave shift is of course not send via midi directly, it shifts the keys of your keyboard, let´s say you press c3 without os applied, your keyboard sends out c3, now you shift it down an octave, you press c3 and it sends now c2. The virtual keyboard of komplete has 85 keys (7 oktaves times 12 tones + next c) so with an 88 key keyboard it should work. If you octave shift, do you use the octave up?down button in the extern section, like described in the manual of the nord stage chapter 8?

  • NordicNative
    NordicNative Member Posts: 6 Member

    Yes, I do, and I also set "Transpose MIDI at Out" in the Midi section, but it has no effect. However, even if it did, it would probably result in lower notes, not in moving the red articulation keys on the virtual keyboard further to the right, which is what I would need.

  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 4,213 mod
    edited July 2023

    You can't move the virtual keys to the right, you just can transpose your keyboard (the result is similar). But that it's not working I can't believe somehow, every midi keyboard I ever owned was able to transpose to the lowest and to the highest octave and the manual of the nord says it works, there must be something wrong, you have no keyboard split on I guess so all 88 keys go out to the computer to the same midi channel and all octaves in order? If you press the lowest key on your nord what key you see moving on the virtual keyboard c-1;c0?

    P S. You can also try cubase midi input transformer, there should be even a preset, you just substract 12 from value 1, for example, to lower the keys by one octave

  • NordicNative
    NordicNative Member Posts: 6 Member

    I tried again, and now I got the Nord to octave-shift via Midi, but as I supposed, it only results in lower notes to be played within the blue (playing) range of the plugin. The lowest key on the Nord which is A-3 is moving the white A-key just above the red articulation keys in the plugin, so the articulation keys are still out of reach. In other words, octave-shifting does not affect which keys are moving on the virtual keyboard. And by the way, I also tried with another keyboard as input device, it has the same problem.

  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 4,213 mod
    Answer ✓

    Then try to shift further down one octave and of course you play also lower notes in the blue area in relation to your keyboard that's what octave shift does, it needs of course some time to get used to it if you never used it.

  • NordicNative
    NordicNative Member Posts: 6 Member

    Ah, now I got it, thanks a lot, Uwe!

  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 4,213 mod
    Answer ✓
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/86970#Comment_86970

    Hope you now can have fun again and enjoy making music

  • DDmUSA
    DDmUSA Member Posts: 33 Member
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/86970#Comment_86970

    What did you have to do to get it working?

  • NordicNative
    NordicNative Member Posts: 6 Member

    Hi DDmUSA,

    sorry for taking so long to reply! You have to get your master keyboard to send the octave shift via midi, not just shift the octave for the keyboard output. For the Nord, it means you have to set "Transpose Midi at Out" in the Midi Settings, select the whole keyboard range as a zone with "Zone Select" in the Extern Section and then use "Octave up/down" (with the Shift-Button) in the Extern Section (NOT in the piano-, organ- or synth section). I don't know how it works with other keyboards, and I still think it's weird you have to do it all with an 88-keys-masterkeyboard, but well.

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