Komplete Kontrol full screen and resizable?

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  • bkt
    bkt Member Posts: 2 Member
    edited June 2023

    Blimey.

    New here to NI (Starter), but this is a bit of a put-off as I'm seriously considering purchasing 14; no doubt it is all about the sound(s) and seemingly very good value at the moment but not everyone has space for large or multiple monitors, screen resolutions have moved on from HD and readability and device portability for some is key.

    UX is increasingly important so I would hope NI do get on top of this or they risk being left behind by their competitors...

  • Kaysodog
    Kaysodog Member Posts: 4 Member

    this was started in June 2022... still waiting.. just kidding I'm buying a bunch of other stuff just not NI. Maybe a detachable search list window because as it is it's more than useless. It's raising my blood pressure.

  • Shutara
    Shutara Member Posts: 8 Member

    @Nico_NI any update on reworking plugin's UI? It's really unfair for nested VST to dictate how much presets I'm allowed to see at once by resizing itself to fit the displayed plugin, without my control to enlarge it further (as with India below). Would love an ability to have everything displayed and be able to see presets with more comfort. I mean, we all would love that :)

    Please, this needs addressing and some ETA, especially since this thread started last year, You spoke of possibility of having this within 2022, and here we are mid '23, with nothing on this front being changed.

    kk1.png kk2.png

    I hope KK will finally get some more love on the front-end this year.

    Best regards :)

  • Noise_Chanellor
    Noise_Chanellor Member Posts: 1 Newcomer

    Same, bought by s49 MK2 a few weeks ago and the GUI doesn't resize, can only see 3 sounds at a time on my huge monitor. Im reverting back to my other Vsts.

    Please please please work on resizing, its more or less unusable!

    Maybe you could decrease the instrument category menus, or display the list of sounds on the right side panel !

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,638 mod
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/79852#Comment_79852

    You can actually fold up the category menus completely to create a bit more room for search results, but I agree - the fundamental problem is the search panel is tied into the screen size as a whole, so if you had a huge or resizable plugin you get a much bigger search results panel, but the default empty view is too small. I quite like the main panel wrapping to the plugin size but that behaviour should be an option as it is in Reaktor, with the other option to be free resizing, and it should also be possible to undock the search panel so it isn't dependent on the overall screen size of the plugin.

    There is an app that can help with the default size but only at the moment for Mac

    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/11847/nipatcher-tool-to-modify-komplete-kontrol-macos

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru

    KK has always been an example of terrible user experience due primarily to the design of its panel layout + behavior.

    I suspect NI's plan to improve KK's layout problem will borrow heavily from Kontakt 7's new browser layout as the "front end".

    What I hope for is that when you click on a preset in this Kontakt 7 style browser "front end", it opens a window without the full instrument panel, but instead a standard size horizontal image of the instrument, along with multiple horizontal panels for the stuff we need in KK... (macros, plugins, etc)

    Only when clicking again on the standard size horizontal instrument panel, would you see the old, variable size full instrument panel.

  • Matthew_Morse
    Matthew_Morse Member Posts: 4 Member

    This is not only a use-ability issue it’s an accessibility issue - an important matter!

    NI - please adopt an inclusive approach to your product development by making your software accessible to all. It is common practice in modern software development and above all the right thing to do.

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  • Warren Postma
    Warren Postma Member Posts: 43 Member

    Komplete Kontrol resizeable UI when? It’s half way through 2023.

  • MusicTobi
    MusicTobi Member Posts: 1 Newcomer

    I don't understand what is so difficult to enable such a basic thing. Why is it limited at all? I don't see a reason for it. For me the program is unuseable that way!

  • holonology
    holonology Member Posts: 84 Helper

    Naturally, there is a lot of support for this, however I have thoughts that both support and go against NI here.

    First, NI is far from the only offender in this space. Soundtoys has a clunky manual install and a non resizeable GUI. Effectrix, one of the OG effects tools is comically small (possibly the smallest GUI I've ever seen) and that makes it almost completely unusable. Even newer companies like Baby Audio don't all resize. All of these software companies get very good press for what they do.

    However, Soundtoys gets away with the non-resizeable GUI because it's just about big enough on a large monitor in 2023 and the underlying design itself is pretty good. I've used soft synths from other manufacturers, uhe, Arturia etc, and they have everything on lock from a UI perspective. The problem for NI is that the underlying interface of KK is not great.

    The best GUI they've made (imho of course) is probably Massive X which shares some visual ground with something like the Arturia instrument browser. the way that the preset menu opens up gives you way more space to see what you're doing in terms of choosing presets. This gives you way more room than the 3 patches you see bottom left when scrolling currently. Massive X also has the macros at the top for mapping. All the ingredients are there to make this one happen. Add GUI scaling (and this can be exactly the same as Kontakt btw 100%, 125%, 150% etc) and we're all good.

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru

    My suggestion to more quickly improve the user experience of KK would be for NI to create a "standardized interim panel" for each NKS enabled instrument.

    KK would use the same browser design as Kontakt 7.

    When you clicked on a preset in this new KK browser, instead of opening the "legacy opening panel", this new "standardized interim panel" would open instead. It would be based on the first "encoder panel" (layer/macros) for the instrument and be rather horizontal in design. All elements in this panel would be corner-drag scalable included the text. When you wanted deeper feature of an instrument, clicking on this interim panel would bring up the legacy panel.

    This new horizontal "interim" panel would also allow more window area for additional items you might want to have simultaneously visible.. the plugin chain, the scale/arp panel, additional macro panels, an always available on-screen piano keyboard...

    Make this all of these simultaneously-desired horizontal panel fully scalable as a group. The is NO legacy raster art in any of this so it should be a much easier task to do.

    Make it pretty with some minimal new vector art that identifies the instrument associated with this new interim panel... or just use the thumbnail as in the Kontakt 7 browser

    This could be a huge short cut to a much better user experience.

    The better user experience is much more inviting to actually find, PLAY, and lightly edit/modulate the preset via the macros.

  • Tomas E
    Tomas E Member Posts: 101 Member

    People get old, so do the developers. When they can't see what they are doing we might get this.

  • E_Sync
    E_Sync Member Posts: 4 Newcomer

    It is 8/1/2023 and still no change to the resizing issue. As well the scanning issues are still la problem.

    As a new user and someone who just purchased a Komplete S88 I'm already immediately feeling disappointment and frustration with these issues. This may lead to me going elsewhere if the issues get in the way to much. I just don't understand why such alarge and well known andloved compnay would ignore persistent issues. It would cost the company far far less money to fix these problems than it would in the I'm sure hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost sales simply because of a lack of care. At least that's the feeling users will have when nothing gets done... I bought the product because I love it and it's potential and I don't want to be forced away. I hope these things get fixed and as well other issues don't show up...

  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 3,210 Expert

    Well, the resize "issue" (or more a limitation because it does work as it is without resizing, just has a limitation in how many presets one can see if they have the tags open but it is 100% usable as is) since 10 years so buying into it and expecting an immediate change shouldn't be expected. It's something that would be nice to have for sure, but does not prevent things from working and the hardware can be used effectively to browse and load. Still nothing else comparable out there for what it does.

    In regards to "scanning issues", what do you mean? There is no known issue in scanning things. If you refer to plugin scanning that ius usually the cause of a dodgy plugin or sometimes a registration popup dialog that gets stuck behind the startup splash. Close to 800 plugins on my system, no such issues with scanning.

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