The Gentleman instruments not matching Komplete Kontrol previews
Hi all,
I'm new to the whole Kontakt / Komplete thing and it's utterly blown me away. Absolutely fantastic, but I do have one problem / query and was hoping someone could help.
I preview Gentleman sounds in Komplete Kontrol and they all play fine. I can hear the variations in sounds. But whatever I actually load, I just get more or less the same piano sound, with maybe the reverb slightly different. The sounds are also quiet.
I've tried reinstalling the 3GB of samples through Native Access and they're all saving to the right drive. All of my other Kontakt instruments work well, including Session Guitarist (amazing) and all the Select instruments.
My set up in an M1 MacBook Pro 14 inch running Monterey. My keyboard is the Komplete Kontrol A61. My Daw is Logic, although the issue occurs when in standalone mode so I doubt Logic's the issue. Or maybe I'm just expecting too much??
Thanks in advance for any help or advice.
PETE
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If you had or have a piano in your home or studio how much variation in sound would you expect to get? It's a sample-set of one piano, so I think you were expecting too much.
I always thought it sounded pretty decent, but not what I would look for as a goto for my compositions.
The instrument you got that I am currently digging deeper into after 5 years of ignoring it is, Ethereal Earth. The Play Series are a major headache to learn, but worth it.
edit: you said 'Select' but I see A-Series don't come with Select, so I think you only have the free Etherial Earth.
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I think what may be happening is when it first comes up it has the default preset for The Gentleman selected. When you click on a different preset, it demos that preset, but it doesn't replace the current preset unless you double click it. I use Komplete Kontrol but with a S49 controller, but I select things from my computer and mouse. Personally I really like the variety of presets it provides and switch them quite often depending on the style of the song I'm doing and what other instruments I have going. Honestly the volume level of the various presets are pretty much where I like them, although I sometimes adjust them the further I get into the mixing process.
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Hi Gee. Thanks for the reply. You might be right, but the sounds really don’t match the previews! Yes, I have Select. Came free with the A61 in December. A real bargain. I’ll check out Ethereal Earth.
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I don't know man. I just watched this video of all presets and the differences are subtle with eq and compression and slightly different rooms.
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Yeah, I remember that sale.
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Yeah, it is subtle - I wasn’t expecting a Hammond organ 😃😃 - but when I select a sound really nothing changes! I’ll dig into it a bit more. The A61 / Select was certainly a sweet deal! All the best!
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Hi! I’ll try selecting with my trackpad and see if it helps. Thanks for the reply!
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I guess it's all in the ear of the beholder. Just watching the video I can easily pick out the warmer configurations versus brighter ones. They're all going to be limited to the nature of it being an upright so you won't get the big concert grand sound, but to my ear I can easily hear which will work best with pop, country, ragtime, ballads and so forth.
That being said I also have different uprights including, for example, the Mrs Mills Piano that Paul McCartney used on "Lady Madonna". Stuff like that is dramatically different because of the nature of the piano construction and how it's been tuned and you can't mimic that on The Gentleman.
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Hi,
I did some more digging around. I think they must have applied EQ to the previews after they recorded them. I chucked an EQ on the channel strip in Logic, boosted the mids and highs, and could suddenly approximate the previews. I hope the other previews in Komplete Kontrol are more accurate!
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I'm so stupid sometimes. I completely misinterpreted your Topic Title.
Previews would be full velocity and therefore as loud and bright as possible. I thought you were comparing presets within the instrument. If you set the velocity to 0% (or however it works) in the intsrument, it probably sounds identical.
Make sense?
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I should have been clearer! I’ve discovered that boosting the mids and highs a little makes the sounds more distinct. I’m sure you’re right re velocity too.
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Maybe there's something different with the Gentleman plugin for Logic because there's nothing my my DAW (Ableton) that would affect the EQ of the samples in the Gentleman.
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Just put an eq in the channel, after the plug in!
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I think I can confirm that no change is happening when changing preset on Gentleman. I'm on Pro Tools 2022/Macbook Pro 2017. If I click the usual arrows between The Gentleman text and the camera icon, nothing changes. No presets load nor does the sound change.
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Pete is talking about the 'Previews' that load in Komplete Kontrol, and clicking on those he hears all the variations.
If you check the Library in the K6 browser, I'm guessing there is only one Gentleman.nki, so the only way to hear the variations is to select the snapshots. Clicking the top arrows won't do anything, but the ones aside the snapshots will advance to the next snapshot.
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