Dear Native Instruments,
Are you still there? We miss you. We miss the communication between you and the community. Please give us a sign.
At the last or second to last quarterly NI update / AMA I think they talked about having a better out of the box integration for "club standard" gear.
HID mapping with display for the standalone gear would be cool. But .. yeah, never trust traktor roadmap :D
What's up everyone. Sorry for the silence. We've been heads-down working on a new entry-level controller, the MX2. 😎 Now that It's officially out I can say that on the software side, Traktor Pro 4 updates are absolutely continuing.
Quick heads-up on Q&As with product managers. They've been happening on our Discord server instead of here. Join if you haven't yet.
Hell no, why not here? Why has it to be on the discord server? All previous Q&As were also here, which makes perfect sense. I thought the "new" community forum was intended to be a place where everything comes together?
Is being transparent and keeping things at one place really that hard? We already had experiences where promises were delayed for months/years and nobody held you accountable because you will always do you no matter the request nor feedback. Why not do the same now? Or is this "you doing you" and moving something to the closed environment like Discord?
In my humble opinion (and many others here based on the comments I read), this is really getting out of hand…
I think I'll add another comment right away, because it upsets me so much!
We had to watch as the old forum, which contained tons of knowledge, was simply submerged to create this new space. That was a tragedy for many of us! Not that everything is bad here, but a lot of work still needs to be done until everything can be back to its former level. We experience double posts every day, and the same nonsensical questions are asked over and over again.
Just keep this page up to date, and above all, moderate it actively!
Why are there still completely outdated articles at the top? We now have stems in Traktor and the workaround with Audacity is obsolete. So Traktor DJ2 tips, why?
The "Share Ideas" section has also become redundant because the roadmap no longer exists…
I'm not really interested in the bugs from 3.11 anymore, but I am interested in the bugs from 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3, which I would have liked to have collected and discussed here in the community!
In the "news from the product team," you can see a !Keyboard! in the image of TP4.2, and by the way, we're now at 4.3.
Why do I have to go to Discord for a Q&A, and where can I find this news there, and when exactly it will take place? I haven't found anything like that. I'm getting really cringe vibes now, because this "fancy, clicky, colorful thing that was created for gamers" reminds me more of Hobo Hotel 2.0.
What the hell is wrong with you guys?
Edit: And if I don't want to click through all the pages of a thread, I have to reorder it each time to see the latest entries from other users. Why do you always have to turn everything upside down, only to then painstakingly straighten it out again, or make it worse!?
@Kaiwan_NI
You're saying that you have discontinued manufacturing the S4 Mk3 and rather than releasing an Mk4 you're putting out an entry level controller?
@michaelscot
A Traktor MX4 is already teased. Someone wrote on ADE they said it should be realeased in early 2026. If I wanted to order a S4 Mk3 now it is available at NI and many other Online Shops immediately. Even if they stopped production by now there is no issue if MX4 arrives in early 2026.
They also discontinued manufacturing of S2 Mk3 and these aren't available anymore.
Just leaving this here, as a reminder, to how awesome traktor team once was.
Just want to inform you about few things, as much as i can… About the old forum: It is not deleted, just backed-up somewhere (i don't know more details, but some parts at least are at the webarchives). Yes, some knowledge and many tips got lost (at least for the main public), but, this was mostly obsolete knowledge that, in most cases, didn't apply anymore on the newer versions.
Double posts and nonsense questions: I fully agree and personally, i want more strict rules on this! But the official NI prefers a more "user-friendly" approach (and perhaps rightfully, since the people we are dealing with, are not just users but also respectful customers who want fast solution to their problem!). So we avoid deletion, except for obvious cases. We can also merge similar topics occasionally. But please remember that we are dealing with about 110.000 users (i think 3 or 4 times more people than at the old forum)!
The new Forum: This forum is not a Native Instruments space. It belongs to Vanilla Forums and they are the ones who write the code, the interface and most of everything. We only have limited access on these sections. Recently the forum had a major update (thus, it took a little while to adjust to the new one… like you, we also have to learn this new space and every new feature). There are still many bugs, but we can only report them to Vanilla and wait the next forum update! So, this "what the hell is wrong with you guys" was not very fair, but still acceptable, consider the circumstances. :-)
For your other questions, i have no idea (neither I'm allowed to share internal info anyway) so, only an admin can provide you an answer…
PS: Also please remember that all moderators are volunteers here, not paid employees…
EDIT/UPDATE:
About Discord: I think it is obvious. You do have tons of features on Discord, that simply does not exist on forums. For example, live videos, live streaming, direct presentations and contact with developers and creators. Forums are still very useful, but they are also very limited when it comes to modern technology. The old forum for example, was archaic, written with a 20 year old language and full of security risks. It was impossible to survive in a modern environment. Period. Either we like it either not, the world is moving forward and, in our times, at "galactic speeds", technologically speaking. Whoever stays behind, get lost quickly from the internet world.
To say it blunt: It is "evolve or die".
So yes, you have to go to Discord for some things. So, what? It is just one "click" away. And the benefits are incomparable! I, for sure, i prefer to watch someone live to present me a synth, rather than reading a text in a forum.
Hey, thanks for your reply!
My anger was directed more at the people at Native Instruments and probably also at some members of the Traktor team who make such decisions and present us with half-baked ideas or move certain areas to other platforms, than at the moderators here. If you can exert any influence, then quite a few of the points I raised that you didn't address would be worth taking a closer look at. There's a lot of untapped potential here that simply needs to be better channeled – in one place, or at least as much as possible.
It's nothing personal against anyone, but rather a lack of understanding of certain patterns in external communication that have been repeating themselves for me for over 15 years.
For example, I never claimed, and certainly never assumed, that any of you would get anything in return. But those at Native Instruments who actually get something out of it should be aware that the new community area is only patchily maintained and communication is very sparse. This is simply annoying, because ultimately, it's the only official channel through which a lively exchange can take place and official information can be obtained. The restrictions one faces are tedious, and it leaves a bad impression when one repeatedly hears the same old phrases from the official side, and ultimately not much of it is adhered to, implemented, or kept updated.
The old forum is no longer available as a web archive. For a while, there were links that made this possible, but they no longer work. Edit: it seems that I'am wrong with this, sorry! see above.
Sure, some of it would be obsolete by now, but certain questions in the mapping area, for example, would still be in high demand today. Just as an example: There was also a multilingual exchange, because I'm still not a big fan of translating everything into English, and many others aren't either, or even have obvious difficulty with it.
I'll just stick to the topic here and keep things in perspective so as not to stray too far. The purpose of the new community here was to bundle and condense information, with the icing on the cake of an improved search function; unfortunately, I haven't noticed any of that.
How many of the 110,000 registered users are active daily and aren't bots? A large portion of them register quickly, ask a question without first using the search function, and then never show up again. A few simply vent their anger here (I include myself), and only a handful actually try to help others (and I'm among them from time to time). I have no idea what you were actually trying to say with that number. The reality here is different, and you know it yourself.
The MX2 Q&A on Discord was a prime example of why what was said yesterday at NI no longer applies today. Here, too, you say that we need to be progressive and keep pace with the speed at which the internet is evolving. But the Q&A was anything but progressive. This isn't meant as a criticism of the implementation, but rather to point out that no real added value was created. Ultimately, while I'm glad I can inform myself, I just don't think that the way we do today will attract more interested users. The 30 people who were able to participate on Discord today during working hours (4:00 PM CET) are roughly the same people who check in and out here every day.
Well, as is usually the case, it's up to the most active users here to collect and share the information. Why reinvent the wheel when everything else has already done its job perfectly? The official Q&A is still best suited here, especially because a forum needs to have a certain archival quality and so that information can be consolidated in one place. And so we are back at the point where questions that have already been asked and answered will arise every day and have to be rehashed by the most active people.
I agree with a good forum (with good moderation and good tools [search, text edit, etc.] is key. Discord is for quick updates, more like the TikTok if it was a video platform). Forum content should belong to NI, not some external company.
I still can access the archive. I really liked the old forum. Nice on the eyes. No firlefanz, just plain posts with a nice editor and good structure.
Nice, many thanks for the link mate! =)
I've just added it to my reading bar in my browser.
BTW: Did you also remember this forum version before this one you mentioned? The really old one? This was also a special Place for many of us.
*Edit: I've now edited my previous post in this regard; I didn't mean to say anything false.
You're welcome. I got this bookmarked as well. Didn't want to loose the resources.
I don't remember the forum before that. Mostly i was hanging out at DjTechTool's forum when there was a lot of mapping content still. That was shortly after the S4MK2 hit the market… :)
All well said and no arguments there… i just cleared few things a bit… 😉
Is there some comprehensive archive somewhere that consolidated Mappings, Effects Combo's/Instant Gratification Effects? Info from different sources all in one place so info is no longer scattered and does not get lost?
