MIDI note range properties: Why is "Lower Limit" higher than "Upper limit" ?

pix pop · April 19

In the instrument properties "Connect" tab, there are settings for the incoming MIDI note filter. For most if not all library instruments and ensembles, the Lower limit is set to G8 and the Upper Limit is set to C-2. This would seem to exclude all notes but of course it doesn't. I would have expected it to pass all notes higher than the lower limit, and lower than the upper limit.

Also, if anyone knows where this is documented, let me know. I've spent a lot of time looking through the documentation without finding it.

Sunborn · April 19

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/222701#Comment_222701

REAKTOR 6 Diving Deeper —> chapter 3.3 Connect Properties

https://www.native-instruments.com/fileadmin/ni_media/downloads/manuals/REAKTOR_6_Diving_Deeper_English_0817.pdf

Notice that, in the manual, parameters are same as in Grobian:

colB · April 19

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/222701#Comment_222701

As Sunborn psted "Diving Deeper"

Sunborn · April 19

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/44565/midi-note-range-properties-why-is-lower-limit-higher-than-upper-limit

Nice catch! …but i have no idea.

It works correctly though, either as it is, either if you reverse the values.

Sunborn · April 19

Here is the original manual, from 2002:

Grobian.pdf

pix pop · April 19

"It works correctly though, either as it is, either if you reverse the values."

Does it do anything then?

Sunborn · April 19

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/222673#Comment_222673

I don't understand what you mean by "does it do anything then", but just remember… you are dealing with a 23 years old ensemble…

pix pop · April 19

When I ask "does it do anything", I'm referring to the upper and lower limit items in the "Connect" properties. I'm not asking about Grobian in particular, I just used that as an example to show what I'm seeing. It's the same in most or all instruments as far as I can tell. Can you use them to restrict the incoming MIDI notes to a certain range?

Do you know if there's any documentation that explains how to use the "Lower Limit" and "Upper Limit" items in the connect tab of the instrument properties?

Sunborn · April 19

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/222682#Comment_222682

Ok, i can't remember of a specific documentation right now, but here's what i know, in brief:

These settings allow you to scale and limit the range of an internal parameter when it's being controlled from outside the Instrument (such as host automation or mapping to an external controller/synth etc).

Lower Limit: Sets the value the internal parameter will have when the external controller is at its minimum position.

Upper Limit: Sets the value the internal parameter will have when the external controller is at its maximum position.

When you reverse those values (as in Grobian) you have what we call an Inverted Range (very useful when you want to reverse the direction of a control.

Note: There should be some reference for this on the Reaktor manual. Perhaps @colB knows where exactly.

colB · April 19

Just checked, and it's just labelled wrong in the parameters pane. The entry labelled upper limit should be labelled lower limit.

The manual describes as it should be - upper limit is the highest note that the ensemble will respond to, and lower limit is the lowest note. But the labelling is backwards in the parameters pane.

I guess someone saw lower above upper and decided that didn't look right, so swapped them round, but the change broke a bunch of stuff (very old code doesn't like change), so it was reverted, but the labelling wasn't changed back or something.

They probably know about it but because it doesn't cause a crash, it is very low priority. And if you just leave the defaults alone, everything works. Basically, it's not bothering anyone… except you, and now me too…