NI Libraries in Maschine plus
Hello! I am writing through a translator, sorry for the mistakes. I have been using Komplete S61 for several years, I bought Komplete 14 ultimate. I recently purchased Maschine plus in hopes of using these amazing libraries in live performances. And I'm just depressed, I feel deeply deceived, because it turned out that almost all the tools are not available in Maschine plus. I understand that I should have read more carefully, but this information was not obvious. Tell me, are there plans to add Kontakt libraries to the standalone version in the future? and Play series instruments? If this does not happen, it will simply be a shame to tears.
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Its the tradeoff for stand alone, the libraries and instruments are too processer and memory intensive for the internal computer (which I think is running on Linux).
There are workarounds like rendering down your sounds to use in standalone mode, like any standalone groovebox there are limitations based on the hardware to provide a robust stable experience, especially live. Its good to learn those limitations and how to work within them, but if you really want to use the large sample instruments in Komplete you will need to hitch it to a computer/laptop.
Hope you find a happy medium and learn to enjoy it, I have an MK3 and I love the maschine workflow.
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Well, it is written on the product page and on the FAQ.
M+ will never be able to use the full catalog of NI Instruments, more will probably be added at some point, but which ones and when no one knows. NI typically does not share this type of info in advance.
You can look into the Auto Sampler to make more basic versions of some instruments and use them on the M+ if that works for you... Otherwise, you better return it for an MK3 and perform with it + a laptop.
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I think the concept of NI and it's various instruments is just a bit confusing/overwhelming for a person new to the NI ecosystem. People just want to download a sick Cello instrument but they run into, that's a Kontakt only instrument, no you need Reaktor for that, that can only be done in Komplete Kontrol etc... To be fair I find AKAI is similarly confusing with regards to what software runs on the computer vs standalone MPC.
The expansions are similar, I agree that they spell it out on the website, but posts in the forum regarding people purchasing an expansion that's not compatible (ie for Massive X) or contains one-shots/samples and isn't an instrument etc... are fairly regular.
Unfortunately I think it's just the age old "you don't know what you don't know". It wouldn't hurt NI to better job educating their customers. I know they've tried, I've seen their videos and they're extensive. Perhaps what is needed is a TL;DR version in the advert for products?
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I dont mean to be rude or judgy as I've made impulse purchases before too but it's hard for me to understand how a user buys a 1200$ product without reading the full product page, or at least watching a couple of YouTube reviews... preferably from independent unbiased sources.
It seems to me that the "TL;DR" is the FAQ, which is the 1st sub-page link on the page but I still wouldn't advise anyone to buy a product by only reading a FAQ. I am not sure if there's a way for companies to educate their customers if those users aren't interested in reading or watching some vids but there's always room for improvement I guess...
Perhaps NI could update that video FAQ that shows up at the very start of the product page to include an answer "what does it run" and a few other common ones questions that pop up since, maybe that could help? People would still need to click and watch it tho...
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To be fair, the product page is highly confusing to new customers (maybe on purpose?)
Along with its classic groovebox workflow, MASCHINE+ also includes MASCHINE+ Selection: A dedicated package of 18 synths and sampled instruments, 37 effects, and 8 Expansions (including 2 of your own choosing) that all work seamlessly in standalone mode. This includes heavy-hitters like MASSIVE, FM8, MONARK, PRISM, the MASCHINE Factory Selection, PHASIS, RAUM, DRUMLAB, and ETHEREAL EARTH - which means those 16 pads can sound like a dusty vintage drumkit, a warped wavetable lead, an organic modal synth, or pretty much anything you can imagine when flexing your sound design skills.
DRUMLAB and ETHEREAL EARTH do not run on the M+.
The German version is even more confusing as it lists Replika and Sold Bus Comp under the available effects for standalone but they are not tagged with the orange plus sign:
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Hi, I also own the Komplete 14 CE and here is how I get those great instruments inside the Maschine+
i recommend you experiment multiple options to see what better fits your needs and sd card space
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Well I was talking about things in the broader scope of the entire NI ecosystem, not just Maschine+. If you compare the Komplete bundles for example, while it does point out sampled instruments, vs play series. But that doesn't really mean too much to a person unfamiliar with NI.
One thing that always confused me and still does is that if I want to find software that's compatible with the Maschine or Maschine+. I would assume I click on Software and then Maschine, but that's not the case.
Personally I wish it was more like a normal shopping website like B&H Photo or Sweetwater
With an option for Hardware to select your hardware. So you could just click Maschine+ for example and boom, it would only show software, expansions etc... for the Maschine+ want to find out everything that will run on the latest Kontrol, click the Kontrol checkbox.
The website needs a serious upgrade, they still don't have v 1.5 of the Maschine+ firmware listed on the M+ page. :shrug:
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That's because we didn't read the fine print.
No I agree with you, it's stuff like that which makes it utterly confusing. So instead of someone just buying a product now they've got to go back and try and figure out well what's controller mode vs standalone mode on the M+. WE know what that means, but it's confusing to people new to the ecosystem.
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True... But isn't every new ecosystem always a bit confusing? I mean it requires learning, so you will always be confused until you spent the time to learn.
I feel like the main issue here might be having expectations of how things will most likely work then being faced with the reality of this and all other similar ecosystems, things might not be like one expected, the only way to fix it is researching before.
The product page could be more informative and less confusing tho, I am not even sure if NI eve does revisions on those very often or is even open for feedback
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Yeah, I'd say that's all true. And that's why I mentioned AKAI too, they're guilty as well. As a new user go on their expansion pack page and try and point out which ones are compatible with the MPC (hardware) and which ones only work for the MPC software on PC/Mac. It's almost the exact same issue.
To make things more confusing, you have hardware called MPC and software called MPC. NI has the Maschine+, Maschine MK3 and Maschine software. Now you introduce standalone devices that act as controllers in which case software will "technically" work with the hardware, but only in a certain mode when connected to a computer, and you can see how people end up confused. Again, not trying to call out or throw shade at NI, AKAI is just as confusing.
But you're right, like most ecosystems there's a learning curve, that's kinda what I meant or at least was trying to say when I said "you don't know what you don't know."
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Just for clarity: all MPC expansion packs are just MPC expansions…they work on hw and sw. Same for NI Expansions (except one)
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I'm using the wrong terminology then, and I see they've also updated their website. There were packs they used to sell, don't see them on the site any more, but they were AU/VST plugins, which only work with the MPC PC/Mac software and not the MPC hardware. I'm sure someplace on the website it explained that, but I was a noob back then. These were some AIR instruments.
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Oh ok…you’re talking about instruments
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I'm pretty sure most of the synth and FX stuff Akai sell now works both on the desktop software and the standalone MPCs. It would be nice if NI did the same (as a Maschine+ owner).
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I think you're right, I bought Fabric during the holidays and it came with a AU/VST for the PC.
I went back and their website earlier and it looks like it got a major update. It doesn't look like they even have an instrument category now, perhaps buried under legacy hardware. Looks a lot more streamlined, Expansions, Software and Plugins, that's pretty much it for software, that is definitely simpler.
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