Maschine+ ~1 year with no updates = abandonware

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  • cal
    cal Member Posts: 29 Helper

    Yes they have both plugins and hosts but so do Steinberg and Akai, both of whom have been churning out updates at a good clip because they finished updating their plugins and hosts a while ago. Look it’s just impossible to deny that something around software development and planning at NI has gone badly awry ( check Glassdoor for details) and I don’t know when or if they are going to be able to get it back on track. At the moment they are focused on churning out packs and Kontakt instruments because that’s where the quick $ can be made with minimal effort in outlay and man hours. I just find it hard to rationalize that they aren’t aware they are falling behind and the brand is getting damaged because it seems pretty obvious looking at comments across their social media and with a PI buyout’s notorious attitude of ‘make money now’ it doesn’t appear anything will change anytime soon. Hell it wasn’t changing BEFORE the PI buyout now I think about it so I don’t know what the issue is.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,243 Expert

    Of course Steinberg will be first, because VST is their invention. It doesn't necessarily follow that everyone else will immediately jump on board.

    From a quick Google, I can see that in 2022 people were asking when Akai will support VST3 - so they've only changed recently too.

    I do find it bizarre that people now seem to think they're entitled to unlimited updates every X days/months/years because they bought something.

    I think it must be a young person thing, because I'm old enough to know that historically when you bought something, that was the end product. It did what it did when you bought it, and that was it.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,214 mod
    edited December 2023

    Well Steinberg caused this whole mess and of course they would have been first since VST3 is their invention. But this isn't really the point, it's not just about having hosts and plugins to update as individual entities, that part is easier, it's making that process a synchronised one that also included moving NKS itself from VST2 to VST3. NKS was totally reliant on VST2 and their 2 hosts were totally based around NKS, as are all their plugins; so they needed to make sure the changes could be made in a way that still enabled the whole complex 'ecosystem' not to fall apart (and on top of that they had Apple Silicon to deal with). I think people underestimate how much strategic thinking and careful work and testing this took.

  • MaikR
    MaikR Member Posts: 377 Guru
    edited December 2023

    It's not about WHEN it's about HOW they've made the change.

    First the desktop version of Maschine and much later the version inside Maschine+. This shouldn't be a discussion between users on who's right or knows more about standards... the company should have a release plan that wouldn't have broken the (fragile) integration between the two.

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 807 Expert
    edited December 2023

    They shouldnt have, but they did. I can only imagine this was because the Maschine desktop userbase is multiple magnitudes larger than M+ userbase, and postponing all updates from both platform until both are ready would have pissed off much more users

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,243 Expert

    I bought the Maschine+ as a standalone device (that's the primary function after all) so I really don't care about what happens with the desktop software. I can't be the only one.

  • MaikR
    MaikR Member Posts: 377 Guru

    And again, thinking for NI Devs or Product Lead (who's responsible for both).

    Please, give them the opportunity to answer these kind of questions. Because from my point of view it wouldn't make any sense: first waiting for years and then over sudden you're willing to sacrifice your goodwill? Neh... don't think so.

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 807 Expert

    Look, I'm not apologising for NI, just speculating possible logic behind their decisions

  • Justin J
    Justin J Member Posts: 10 Member
    edited December 2023

    I'll sum it up in case you all don't want to read the entire thread. Maschine+ is abandonware, with a new logo! Merry Christmas and please buy NI's new shiny thing we will abandon in a year or two. The executives are going broke.

  • Justin J
    Justin J Member Posts: 10 Member
    edited December 2023

    Congratulations NI on a solid update for ~365 days of work... Mad props to the janitor who put the time and effort into this one! As much as I am against outsourcing, I am inclined to believe that outsourcing your entire team to India would produce more significant results than this. Clearly, the executive(s) in charge are consuming >90% of the budget to maintain this company. After ~20+ years of loyal support, I am taking my $$$ elsewhere. I hope you learn from your mistakes and fire everyone in the process!

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 807 Expert
  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,243 Expert

    Toys well and truly thrown from pram!

  • cal
    cal Member Posts: 29 Helper
    edited December 2023

    The whole ‘you bought it and that’s it’ model hasn’t existed in any tech for almost two decades now. I’d love it if it was ‘fire and forget’, and I could just go back to an St hooked up to an S2000 and a phat planet and everything is golden but this is a whole new paradigm. You have constant updates for API’s, operating systems, DAW’s, high DPI screens and standards like VST2, VST3, ARA, and Clap being updated etc. It’s constant non stop evolution and if a company cannot reliably and promptly keep up then you quickly end up with relic-ware so expecting to operate with that old mindset of ‘this is the finished product’ is just a bit silly.


    I mentioned earlier it would be different if MK3 or M+ were discontinued but they aren’t, they are being sold right now as the flagship HW products of NI’s current lineup and it’s not like they don’t have much more competition than they ever did when the first Maschine was launched so you would think that to maintain the share of the market that NI currently holds then they would want to at least have parity with these new offerings. It certainly seems their customers do. It’s just interesting to see how other companies approach the needs that the nature of this constantly evolving marketplace demands in contrast with how NI are faring and people are simply starting to look elsewhere for updated options that are better suited to their needs. The anger you’re seeing isn’t borne out of a vacuum, I can remember surveys( there’s been a lot of those artificially raising hopes lol), discussions, vague promises etc going back 9-10 years on the abandoned old forum, this isn’t really about the slow VST3 adoption or the ARM thing (or sounds.com or Maschine Jam or…..)which was the same, it’s a nigh on decade old cumulation of frustration. Remember MK3 is still currently being sold and yet it is reliant on software that came out when people were just starting to switch over from using Windows XP lol.


    People are just starting to drift away is all.

  • Jiglo
    Jiglo Member Posts: 161 Advisor

    ....take your time, think a lot

    Think of everything you've got

    For you will still be here tomorrow

    But your dreams may not.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,243 Expert

    hasn’t existed in any tech for almost two decades now

    Really? Your evidence is.....?

    You can't possibly know that every single piece of technology released globally for 20 years has received updates.

    just a bit silly

    That sums it up nicely.

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