Sustain pedal affecting first controller knob instead?

fluffy
fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper
edited October 2024 in Komplete Kontrol

I'm having a weird thing where in Komplete Kontrol 3.0.3, MIDI controller 64 (sustain) is causing the first parameter knob to move instead of it doing the sustain pedal as it should. This is affecting The Grandeur and The Maverick at the very least (I haven't tried other instruments). It doesn't happen if I load those directly through Kontakt, nor does it affect other instruments in Logic.

I'm on Logic 10.8.1 and using a Komplete Kontrol S88 mk1 (which should just be seen as an ordinary MIDI keyboard here, and Logic is reporting the sustain pedal as sending CC 64 as it should). This issue also happens with other MIDI controllers such as an Akai MPK49, so I don't think it's an issue with Logic or my controllers.

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  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 2,608 mod
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    @fluffy I can partially duplicate this. I assigned a CC to a knob, closed/reopened KK and the CC was still assigned. I deleted the assignment (clicked the X), closed/opened KK and the assignment was back.

    In my case, I could make the deletion stick by leaving the MIDI Learn page before closing KK. If I do that the first knob stays as unassigned. That's on MacOS Sonoma (Intel)

    Doesn't explain where the original assignment of CC64 came from, but it might help you remove it.

    -- Mike

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 2,608 mod
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    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/114057#Comment_114057

    If it makes a difference, I left/closed the learn page by clicking the "MIDI" button at the top of the screen.

    -- Mike

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  • Milos
    Milos Member Posts: 2,021 Guru

    Maybe you need to play around woth the MIDI settings.

    Either that, or just use in-DAW automation instead.

    It has more freedom, power and creativity.

  • fluffy
    fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/112823#Comment_112823

    What MIDI settings should I play around with? I'm just using all of the default and didn't do anything to controller assignments, this just started happening after I upgraded to 3.0.3.

    And in-DAW automation is not an answer for the sustain pedal on a piano when playing piano.

  • Milos
    Milos Member Posts: 2,021 Guru

    You can use automation for sustain as well.

    I have it on my Cakewalk.

    pedal.png


  • Milos
    Milos Member Posts: 2,021 Guru

    Just be more experimental with automation.

    If you mess up something, just click on the Undo on the project.

  • fluffy
    fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper

    Yes I know how to do that, but that's not a natural way to play piano.

  • fluffy
    fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper

    Okay I figured out what's causing it, for some reason the first knob is getting set to CC 64:

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    What I can't figure out is how to stop this from being the default.

  • Milos
    Milos Member Posts: 2,021 Guru

    With that, I don't know.

    I tried my best.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,914 admin

    @fluffy If you're using a MK1 keyboard, using Komplete Kontrol 3.0.3 might bring some issues, since the keyboard is no longer supported. We recommend to use 2.9.6: Komplete Kontrol 2.9.6 - Last VST2 supported version

    Not 100% sure if it's related to your issue though, so a few things to check:

    If you open Komplete Kontrol in standalone, do you have the same issue?

    If you click on that x here, it should remove the MIDI assignment. If you do that, does it come back the next time you open the Komplete Kontrol standalone application?

    Screenshot 2023-12-04 at 15.47.09.png

    Also make sure that in Controller Editor, there's no other assignment for CC 64 on the knobs.

  • fluffy
    fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper

    It happens even when I'm using controllers other than my Komplete Kontrol S88 (which is an mk1 but which I am in the process of selling and is no longer connected to my computer).

    And yes I figured out that I could remove the controller mapping, but the problem is that it keeps coming back as the default mapping even on a brand-new project. It also occurs in the standalone Komplete Kontrol app, and does not go away.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,914 admin

    @fluffy What other controllers are you using?

  • fluffy
    fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper

    Casio Privia PX-S1100, Akai MPK47

    It does seem like some bad configuration happened but I’m not sure how to fix/reset it.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,914 admin

    If you clear the CC64 MIDI assignment then disconnect these controllers, does the assignment come back?

  • fluffy
    fluffy Member Posts: 63 Helper

    The assignment comes back every time I create a new instance of the Komplete Kontrol plugin, regardless of which controllers are plugged in at the time.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,914 admin

    @fluffy Ok, so you mean that the assignment only appears when you load Komplete Kontrol as a plug-in in Logic? If you remove the MIDI assignment and open the Komplete Kontrol standalone application, does it also appear?

    If this happens only in Logic, there might be unwanted MIDI settings there, Logic has a lot of possibilities on that regard. Did you update to Logic 10.8.1? This latest update fixed a lot of issues regarding MIDI and our keyboards.

    If that still does not fix the issue, you could delete Logic's preferences, or move the file temporarily (on your desktop for example).

    Here is the file:

    Mac HD/Users/User name/Library/Preferences/com.apple.logic10.plist

    Note: the User Library folder is hidden. To access it, click on Go in the menu bar and press down the Alt key. You'll now find the Library entry in the menu:

    User_Library3_2.gif


  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 2,608 mod
    Answer ✓

    @fluffy I can partially duplicate this. I assigned a CC to a knob, closed/reopened KK and the CC was still assigned. I deleted the assignment (clicked the X), closed/opened KK and the assignment was back.

    In my case, I could make the deletion stick by leaving the MIDI Learn page before closing KK. If I do that the first knob stays as unassigned. That's on MacOS Sonoma (Intel)

    Doesn't explain where the original assignment of CC64 came from, but it might help you remove it.

    -- Mike

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