Feedback - Komplete Kontrol 3.0

I have come across nightjar on numerous occasions over the years, and no, like most forum users, I do not know any of them personally, but his 'perspective' is always the same, that only he has anything remotely called perception and everybody else is wrong or doesn't understand.

I fail to see anything ironic or particularly arrogant in using the term fantasy land.

I actually do not understand what you are trying to say in the highlighted comment

I hope out of this entire mess, NI and others ultimately learn that statistics is not a replacement for innovation. When the first mentions of 'our stats show' started to fly with the MK3 release, I instantly checked out. I'm amazed how my perception of NI flipped in such a short amount of time, and this was even before the KK 3 debacle.

Thankfully, there are many players in this field, and there have been some incredible releases this fall. I voted with my wallet, maybe that will speak a bit louder than my private data collection.

@nightjar wrote:

I don't like to spill more oil into the fire, but exactly these kind of statements, supporting ideas where all "non-MK3" owners should be ignored per se, is not acceptable for me. No wonder the waves were so high in recent postings, as one-dimensional thinking seems to be the kernel of the brute.

The only conclusion that can be drawn from here is that serious concerns which have been raised by many NI customers lately (not owning an MK3 keyboard yet but reporting their current issues with KK3) still haven't been fully understood by other people (who are exclusively looking into the future and hoping that NI's promised NKS2 features will lift off someday). However, playing off each other instead of pulling together is the real issue here. There must be a way to meet in the middle and to make this community push NI in unified strength to a direction where they have to present us a final solution every existing and new NI customer can live with. It's all about the magic word "backward compatibility" that every serious company should have an eye on, especially when claiming to be a leader in the music industry.

But coming back to the reason why I finally replied to this very particular sentence quoted above (which I couldn't leave uncommented):

• Wouldn't it be really too cheap to tell all MK2 owners (or even those not having any NI keyboard at all) by EOY 2023 already to stay on KK2.9.6 from now on, just because they don't feel okay with the latest GUI changes and feature removals they have to suffer from, especially after KK3 has been introduced?
• Should all of these people be silenced, only because a new keyboard has been introduced to the market, along with its companion KK3 which has been slimmed down and obviously prepared in such a way to manage future NKS2 functionality exclusively, at the same time ignoring many of the existing NKS(1) functionalities already?
• Is it really that surprising if people who have spent a lot of money on NI SW and HW are now standing up and are getting vocal in order to defend their rights to keep their proven workflow, and in many cases trying hard to use their beloved (but a little bit older) SW/HW combination along with all related well-known functionalities until the bitter end of MK2 support has finally come?

If really following the above recommendation "please stay on KK2.9.6 if you don't like how KK3 works" would actually mean that MK2 owners are actually put onto the same step as MK1 owners already now. Please note that even MK1 owners had their full 10 years period to enjoy all of the great features that KK2 offered to them, acting as a central control instance, until KK was finally "updated". MK2 could have at least another 4 years left in case NI doesn't come around the corner, announcing much earlier MK2's EOL. But we're not there yet. Even today the keyboard still has certain requirements that the software has to fulfill. It was simply a no-go to drop those features without any prior notice. From my personal perspective, every single NI customer, regardless if existing or new, if owning an NI keyboard yet or not, deserves to get treated correctly. That's what it's all about to keep customer satisfaction alive and keeps the company growing.

But as NI has officially sentenced KK2 to death, KK3 is (and will be) the only long-term option which is left for all users. Therefore, if NI takes their responsibility seriously, a worthy successor needs to presented to the community very soon. Before adding any new NKS2 stuff, the existing foundation that has been broken recently needs to be fixed first; and this must happen in a reasonable time before more damage is done. If not listening to the majority of existing users and not closing those mentioned gaps first, it's like you'd now throw all existing MK2 users over board in the same way as MK1 users had been lately, just for the sake of a new keyboard. Yes, maybe my wording is also a little bit harsh and over the top at this point, but I can't help - it feels exactly that way to me.

To recap, recommendations like that mentioned quote at the very top of my posting are not reflecting the way existing customers should be treated. This behavior can only be called ignorant. Someone may stone me now, but that's my personal opinion I'll be sticking to until I'll be proven wrong.

I might be a little late to the party but my feedback is pretty consistent with the original post. Overall KK 3.0 is quite nice- some things are easier and it’s a more pleasant experience in general. It sounds like it’s been mentioned a lot already, but I’d love to be able to see the browser and the editor window simultaneously again, I miss the more in-depth categories and tags (browsing and editing), and although I didn’t use Samples much before they’re definitely less useable now. Easier mass editing of user presets would be great, as the tags are my most used part of Komplete Kontrol.

This is not the case anywhere except inside your head, or there wouldn't be many of the posts you choose to ignore expressing this is not the case. This has happened with NA 2, Kontakt, Maschine and now KK.

NI is anything but responsive.

Case in point, there was a problem opening Falcon 3 in Maschine in that if you added another instance the controls were locked and unusable. As this only happened in Maschine, I assumed it was probably a Maschine problem, but informed both NI and UVI about it. UVI got back to me instantly and did everything they could tirelessly to fix the issue which they can't properly resolve because it does appear to be a Maschine problem, but they did discover a workaround for the issue.

Both companies were contacted on the 26th October, but NI never got back to me till 2 days ago and then to ask if the new beta fixed it... it of course didn't.

NI as been redefining the concept of belligerence towards its users for years now and yes because of the takeover we should give them slack. We probably would if this were the only occasion, but sadly it is far from it.

It may for some, seem a way forward to rewrite the software and maybe introduce some cohesiveness and joined up thinking into the procedure but not if, as seems the case, it is being written with no understanding of the programmes they are writing, its history and its users. They do threads asking opinions, on occasion have beta groups, but totally ignore most of the criticisms and suggestions from people who have spent no small amount of money on their products and been using them for years.

It's heartbreaking to see such ignorance at play.