Any further news on comparability with Sonoma

MLW · 2023-11-12T17:46:02+00:00

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Unfortunately I was on Monterey and downloaded a security update two days after Sonoma was introduced.My Mac Pro M1 silicon died and had to get it revived.As a result there was only one choice given by Apple and it was to install Sonoma only. My native keyboard doesn’t work and instruments won’t upload.Only positive is already recorded native instrument show and play back. what a pain it is.Apple technicians advised that you can’t go back as it wipes the computer of everything and you have to start again.Ok going forward.

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felipeazucares

Yes - come on NI - these OS's have been around since June!

MLW

That’s good news glad you have some change. Mine is also working with the Kontakt 7.7 update with Sonoma. Just a few sync issues with my Native S60 keyboard otherwise recording nicely.

reffahcs

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/108427#Comment_108427

Same here. M2 Studio, had constant crashes with Kontakt when I was running 13.x so I figured I might as well update. With the latest updates from NI and 14.1.1 I no longer have system crashes/kernel panics.

I had some minor issues when I moved all the NA content to an external drive, there were a handful of items that NA said it had to repair. Not really sure why, but it was easy enough to just reinstall/repair them.

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D-One

One thing note about this stuff is that a lot of musicians aren't very tech savvy with computers, to say the least, believe it or not it's the main reason most people I know buy Mac's, it's easier to learn get started... except the update nightmares. ahah

People often upgrade out of lack of awareness or to be more blunt: ignorance.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/107728#Comment_107728

Well.. Yes, absolutely, if one is given the choice the safe one is the smart one - If I bought a MacBook now and it came with Sonoma and I had only 1 computer and deadlines to deliver I'd downgrade it immediately, I would not even waste a second trying anything else. In my case risk it because I can revert back easily.

MLW

Just to clarify my M1 stopped working after a security update caused this issue on Monterey.If this happens to anyone there is no choice when reinstalling OS as the only OS available is OS 14 Sonoma no others. So if you want to go back and technically gifted you can if you want to.

I did write to Apple customer services in Ireland who called me to let me know that they sent a request to the developers to give other choices when reinstalling after a problem which I had and many others too.Hopefully this will be introduced in the future.

reffahcs

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/107582#Comment_107582

Exactly, Sonoma may not be officially supported, but I don't even remember the last time Kontakt or KK crashed my Mac. Six months ago when I was on Ventura, Kontakt was unusable for me, as so I opened the program instant Kernel panic, entire Mac crash reboot. That's one of the main reasons I decided to upgrade, I mean it certainly couldn't get any worse than that.

Vocalpoint

@D-One

"People often upgrade out of lack of awareness or to be more blunt: Ignorance"

I will add one more descriptor - "blind entitlement."

Have to be honest - it truly blows my mind when I see Mac user after user descending not just to this forum but many others out there and become completely "gobsmacked" when someone informs them that their OS choice is not supported.

OR when they find out their stuff is completely busted (without checking specs of course) after installing it into an unsupported OS environment.

OR (my favorite) - they installed a new OS update because Apple thinks it's a good idea.

It's almost as if there is this weird "expectation" (from some users but thankfully not all) that every plugin or instrument vendor out there "must" be ready for them as soon as "they" upgrade. Makes me wonder if these folks have any idea how the audio software world actually works.

I have just one piece of Apple hardware (iPhone) - and I update it on my own schedule - always when the ".2" release of any OS finally makes an appearance.

There is zero point to going early on any OS for any reason.

D-One

Not sure if entitlement is the right word when you just expect the stuff you paid for to simply work, paying for something kind of negates being entitled.

This kind of conversation can rally go in any direction, we can blame the user, Apple or the SW companies but clearly something needs to change in the way Apple rolls out their updates and/or SW companies with huge portfolios deal with it.

The expectation that every computer user should be super informed is just unrealistic, especially in this era where most people use Phones way more than computers. Windows marketshare has been steadily declining over the past 15 years an Macs increasing, theres always going to be new users with no ideia how to deal with updates.

In the case of NI, having a gigantic SW portfolio might be a problem that they brung upon themselves, i doubt their constant stream of new HW/SW makes things easier.

@Vocalpoint said:

There is zero point to going early on any OS for any reason.

For you; an opinion is not really a fact.

For me sometimes theres a feature on a new OS that can be quite useful, never for Music/Audio but one might use their computer for many different things.

Vocalpoint

@D-One

"For you; an opinion is not really a fact"

It may not be a fact, but it sure feels like one judging by the non-stop parade of Mac users in here who year after year, month after month and day after day - do not get the memo and continue to rant in this forum (and many others) about why their entire workflow has ground to a halt - due to poor planning (and totally unnecessary) OS upgrades.

I guess I put a much higher price on availability for my tools than a lot of others.

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/107943#Comment_107943

Don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean to be disrespectful but I already heard your point about it being "unnecessary" a few times, you don't need to keep repeating it.

You seem annoyed by all the complaining, which is understandable but if so, maybe avoid inserting yourself into this type of thread, getting a ton of notifications about Apple threads when your a Windows user probably wont help and just annoy your further...

Vocalpoint

@D-One

"You seem annoyed by all the complaining, which is understandable but if so, maybe avoid inserting yourself into this type of thread, getting a ton of notifications about Apple threads when you're a Windows user probably won't help and just annoy your further..."

Understood. And point taken - I have fine-tuned my notifications :)

Would be refreshing to get back to focusing on NI specifics and leave user OS upgrade issues on the curb until such time that NI confirms they support Sonoma.

Kymeia

Interestingly Komplete Kontrol 2.9 was having problems under Sonoma 14.1 but the 14.1.1 update yesterday fixed them and it is now running nicely on Sonoma

MLW

That’s good news glad you have some change. Mine is also working with the Kontakt 7.7 update with Sonoma. Just a few sync issues with my Native S60 keyboard otherwise recording nicely.

reffahcs

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/108427#Comment_108427

MLW

Thanks for your updates the sun is beginning to shine once again 😂

Kymeia

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/108450#Comment_108450

Sonoma seems much better than Ventura at load balancing

Seeing that in graphics apps too - the performance improvements in Painter for example are huge and it is making much better use of those 32 GPU cores I have in my M1 Max

Calagan

90% of the posts in this thread are only noise about "these stupid people that install the last Mac OS".

I'm in the exact same situation as the OP : Apple bricked my MBP after an update of Monterey 12.7 to 12.7.1 (bloddy Apple!), so I was forced to update to Sonoma. I had no choice ! So please, stop the moral judgement nonsense and just participate to the thread with some concrete infos.

Regarding my situation, I use a MBP M1 pro, Ableton live 11 and hundred of plugins from dozens of devs. So far everything seems to be working, even devs that don't yet say their plugins are compatible with Sonoma.

See the screenshot attached for the plugins I've got in my VST folder. I didn't try everything of course, but quite a lot of them and at least almost one plugin from each dev.

Regarding NI, Native Access 1 seems to work also (at least it opens, but I didn't install nothing new since i'm on Sonoma). The various NI plugins seem to work also : I just have a strange issue with Kontakt 6 in some sessions, and it seems to be related to a certain library or to certain associations of libraries (because I don't have issues on other sessions with many K6 instances). I have CPU peak/clicks, even if the CPU meter in Live stays around 30%.

As soon as I will find the culprit, I'll post here. But maybe someone else has some similar issues, did find the faulty library and could tell the community.

_741145

Will my Komplete ultimate work if I update to Sonoma?

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