Is NI customer service a thing anymore?
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USB 2 Audio Class compliance is more of a MacOS thing
It's actually more of a USB thing, as it is a defined part of the standard:
I'd be way more pissed over the M+ dead in water for more than 8 months while a keyboard was being made, it's not even the same version as the desktop, no reaktor desktop compatibility, no VST3, yet...
And the price of the unit is completely irrelevant by now. There are one dollar apps by tiny shops which are better supported than this flagship product of a multi million dollar company.
This is a mind boggling omission being perceived as obscene rudeness.
5 business days? That's above what I'd call a fast reply for sure, but acceptable imo
IMO, one hour is great, one day is good, two days are acceptable (and average IME), but after five days I wonder whether there is any support to be expected for the product.
The different opinions bring me to another question: What does everybody expect from support?
Personally, I don’t expect support to read the manual for me or search the knowledge base for existing articles (unless they can’t be found, which has been the case for NI, but that’s another topic… or is it?). If I need a tutorial, I search YouTube.
My expectation is to get advice and technical help for situations that are unexpected and not covered by documentation or are not under the control of the user (e.g. the many reported licensing issues). My expectation is to get to talk to a trained technician, an engineer or even the developer in case a defect is found. Otherwise, I don’t have need for support.
But there are obviously different needs by different users.
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@ozon :
It's actually more of a USB thing, as it is a defined part of the standard:
In theory yes, in practice no... To me only in practice matters because if a standard is not actually used by the industry then it's worthless.
My supposedly class compliant Scarlett only needs drivers in Windows, as do NI's Komplete Audio interfaces, so does OP's M6 interface, and many more, how do you explain this? Is Windows not following USB-2 standard? Or are the companies making interfaces lying? 🤷♂️ No ideia but on Mac is actually really plug and play when advertised, that's what I was saying.
PS to anyone else reading: I am not saying this to diminish Windows, I have zero interest in Win VS MacOS wars, I got both.
IMO, one hour is great, one day is good, two days are acceptable (and average IME), but after five days I wonder whether there is any support to be expected for the product.
This is fair, as its an opinion. For me NI has mostly always been 2-3 days, all other companies 5-10, I might just be lucky tho.
I'm taking into account the question is not something urgent but TBF it takes 6-10 days for iLok to remove a computer from my account since theres a limit of 2 when I get a new one and it annoys the heck out of me because I do it often and cant load any projects that depend on those iLok protected plugins, in this case more than a week is insane to me.
If i had sent a ticket about OP's issue i would have included that I already saw the article, I usually do such when dealing with support as it might help get a faster anwser because if support see's a very common question that is answerable by an article I suspect it will go to the low priority cue, specially during an annual sale.
The different opinions bring me to another question: What does everybody expect from support?
Good question, I certainly don't expect them to fix lack of drivers/libraries or any soft of software implementation, but I expect them to have a quantifiable way of passing along info to the dev team so they can prioritize things accordingly.
My expectation is to get advice and technical help for situations that are unexpected and not covered by documentation or are not under the control of the user (e.g. the many reported licensing issues). My expectation is to get to talk to a trained technician, an engineer or even the developer in case a defect is found. Otherwise, I don’t have need for support.
This has happened to me, I had a rare issue where due to an overclock on my computer NA would think a had a different computer often and require reauthorization, it's long boring story, anyway... a dev had to step into my ticket and sort out some technical stuff with me that the average support probably would never be able to handle. This is very far from 'My interface that not on a working interfaces list doesn't work, help me!' tho...
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@D-One regarding USB class compliant audio devices:
I’m too tired to read and understand all that, but basically Microsoft offers standard drivers for class compliant audio devices. Why they wouldn’t work for your Scarlett needs to be investigated.
But that’s already way off topic.
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Yet 'My Scarlett' works fine on the M+, that was my point, which was quite on topic... :D
When an interface doesn't need drivers on MacOS it works for sure on the M+ from what I have seen... (checked about 10 from the M+ interface thread) But when it requires driver installation on Win then it does not. (wether it's manually or auto downloaded by the win updater like it says on your article).
There might be exceptions, idk... but I feel like this is important info for anyone considering buying interfaces for the M+, and maybe info support should have in case they don't. Assuming everything class-compliant 'just works' across the board is what caused this mess... I assume.
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Motu and I have been in correspondence, They have been having me try things, I forwarded the fact that M+ is running a Linux based OS and the ALSA stuff D-One was talking about. The fella helping me is taking all the info and video I sent and going over it with his team to see if there is a solution.
Even if it doesn't work, I got to appreciate the effort!
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Oh, that's very nice of them!
Now that I am home I checked the M+ licenses and I think I was right, it might be helpful for them to see exactly what the M+ is using, to get the licenses just go to Settings>About and press the Licenses button, it will spit out a ton of txt files into your SD Card, send it to support.
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I'll do that tonight when I get home to send to them. That would be cool if they figured it out.
I'd love a low latency interface that can switch between M+ an MBP with out having to pay $2.6K for an RME. Paying more than a grand for a music something that ain't an instrument is for some reason impossible for me, not when there are still synths and basses to try...
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Does anyone know where to even file a support ticket?
I genuinely can't find any links related to that that don't just send me back to that empty "support" page where I can't find anything.
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I'm trying the chat route again, it will connect you to an agent; however, the last time ended in zero help with a promise to escalate to an email ticket which never happened:(
Native access keeps dropping my K13 serial number, which isn't immediately fixed by re-entering the number. It has killed 2 sessions working on VST-heavy projects.
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Well, that was frustrating; it seemed Neal was trying to end the chat and ticket from the beginning, even though I told him that the issue was intermittent. Yes, after the third lost session in a month, my products are again out of Demo mode, but that doesn't mean the issue is fixed. As my title and description stated, the issue is the intermittency.
It was like polling teeth to get a ticket number with multiple, seemingly condescending, attempts by Neil to end the chat. What the F NI? This is terrible support.
I know support professionals for many companies have time limits now and operate sort of like sweat shops; I hope this isn't what NI transitioned to, but it seems like it is.
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I asked in my last session, and I confirmed that chat is the only option now. It is available in the lower right corner of the support page.
Make sure you ask for a ticket number and politely rebut their attempts to end chat, which happened almost immediately in the last two times I used the feature.
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Chat only support is completely unacceptable. Not everyone needs help during NI working hours, or has time to spend during these hours.
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