kontrol s61 mk3 power supply

CHRIS HUME · 2023-10-11T13:35:40+00:00

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pre ordered my Kontrol S61 Mk3 keys, but wanting to get ahead here, and as I don't have usb C on my PC (but have adapter cable) , Im concerned is power supply. Will NI be selling a compatible usb C power supply ? alternatively can someone cleverer than me point me in the right direction of which usb C power supply to buy to get me up and running at full power for when it arrives

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PoorFellow

I can not vouch for quality and this is simply meant as examples of what would be more than adequate :

UK :

USB C Plug, 100W 6 Port USB C Fast Charger Plug : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Charger-Adapter-Charging-Station-Samsung-White/dp/B0CCJ786HX/

USB C Plug, INIU 30W USB C Charger : https://www.amazon.co.uk/INIU-Charger-Adapter-Compatible-Samsung-Black/dp/B09CYJZRV9

Guttlu 40W USB C Charger plug : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Guttlu-Charger-Original-Compatible-Adapter-White/dp/B0BDZXD2NC/

Anker USB C Plug, 323 Charger (33W), 2-Port : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-323-Charger-%C3%AF%C2%BC%CB%8633W%C3%AF%C2%BC%E2%80%B0-B2C-White/dp/B0BC92CCVC/

Apple 20W USB-C Power Adapter : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-20W-USB-C-Power-Adapter/dp/B08L5RKGVX

30W USB C Charger Fast Charger Plug with 100W Fast Charging Type C Cable : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Charger-Charging-Adapter-iPhone-Airpods-Black/dp/B0C1NJ9G73/

US :

You can get a dual pack 20W for $ 10 (plenty more higher Watt two packs at page bottom) : https://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Charger-Delivery-AirPods-Samsung/dp/B09CKBPZ34/

A 30W for $20: https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Charger-Foldable-Compact-Compatible/dp/B0BJ6BB44D/

A 200W for $40 : https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Charging-Compatible-Pixelbook-ThinkPad/dp/B0BYHJ8FD6/

There will most be many here with either cheaper or they think better suggestions , but as written then the above is simply meant as examples of what would be more than adequate..

Also , if of interest : DataPro's USB-C Guide and FAQ : https://www.datapro.net/techinfo/what_is_usb_type_c_usb_c.html

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PoorFellow

Requirements are rather low , this is what it says :

Quote specifications :

Kontrol comes with a USB-C cable. It is bus-powered meaning the USB cable draws power directly from your computer, so there’s no need for an additional power supply. If your computer does not have a USB-C port, you can use your own USB adapter and power supply.

Use the adapter to connect the provided USB-C cable from the keyboard’s HOST port to your computer’s USB-A port. Then connect a USB-C power supply (5V, 7.5W or higher, 1.5A or higher) to the keyboard’s USB-C power supply port.

Check the manual for more information.

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Power adapters with USB C PD (power delivery) often are capable of delivering much more power since some of them are also directed at powering other 'mobile' units !

Jeremy_NI

@CHRIS HUME Some Knowledge Base articles about that are on their way. In the meantime, These are the PSU specs you need: A USB-C power supply (5 V, 7.5 W or higher, 1.5 A or higher) with its own USB-C cable.

It goes into the power socket in the wall - and the USB-C cable goes into the "Power" socket of the keyboard.If his computer doesn't have a USB-C port, you'll need a USB cable C-A to connect the keyboard (C) with the computer (A). You have to make sure that the cable can transfer data - and is not only transmitting power.

CHRIS HUME

seems a bit stupid launching an all singing and dancing product then we got to wait for a power supply !!

My keyboard arrived yesterday set it up all excited and....................... (see below)

sorry but all this 5 V, 7.5 W or higher, 1.5 A or higher doesn't mean anything to a thicko like me - just point me to a suitable power supply I can get from amazon UK that will work- I want to delve into my new gear but looks like I gotta wait

CHRIS HUME

Thanks so much "poor fellow" plumped for the Guttlu 40W USB C Charger plug delivered today, installed and Im up and running. Restores my faith in NI and just shows how essential this forum is , thanks again , so much

Jeremy_NI

Comig late to the party, I was iout, in the meantime, this article was released: Kontrol S-Series MK3: "You're low on power. Please connect a USB-C power supply"

DunedinDragon

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/144313#Comment_144313

Maybe you should question the source you bought it from. I bought mine direct from NI in January with all of that stuff enclosed. It doesn't include a power adapter and specifies that it doesn't and that you need to buy one if your USB port doesn't supply adequate power.

Are you trying to destroy your brand as an informed and competent shopper?

DunedinDragon

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/144338#Comment_144338

If you can read, it's pretty simple to determine the volts, watts and amps of the USB power supply to match those parameters as, by law, it must be printed on the wall plug. It's not printed on the box because it may not be needed if you use a Thunderbolt (or similar) port as they explain in their setup video link provided on your card. As for printing on the box, I only look for "batteries not included" when I'm shopping for toys at Christmas for the kids, not shopping for pro music gear. For those kind of things I watch the videos or read the directions.

oobe79

I get awfully tired of people like DunedinDragon going out of his way to treat others on the forum with hostility or by being patronizing. I have added him to my ignore list.

In the meantime, people need to stop defending NI on this. It is ridiculous. It was NOT adequately disclosed that you would not be able to power your brand new $1000 keyboard with the included USB-C cable and that you would need to provide your own power supply. Nor was it disclosed that it wouldn't work if you specifically tried to connect it with the included USB-C cable to a Mac thunderbolt port. These are all things that people had to figure out for themselves, because there was woefully inadequate disclosure or support for these issues when the product launched. Just stop this nonsense of trying to defend it. Most of us purchased our brand new $1000 NI keyboard throughout conventional means, like Sweetwater, Perfect Circuit, etc, and there was ZERO awareness amongst the sales staff of these retailers about this issue, because NI had not disclosed it appropropirately or adequately. Sweetwater's sales associates are simply the best in the business, and they had no idea.

I have mostly moved on. But, when I see offensive and condescending posts by NI apologists like DunedinDragon try to make people feel stupid for simply not knowing something that they really had no business even questioning, it gets my blood boiling.

PoorFellow

You are most welcome ! I am glad that you found my suggestions to be of help. Thank you providing feedback !

🙂

Chris W

This is typical Native instruments. Launching a product aimed at professionals that needs a power supply and then not supplying a power supply. This is a £1000K product FFS. Unless you have your keyboard within 2 feet of your computer (unlikely) the bus power is nonsense. It's like they go out of their way to piss customers off!

PK The DJ

@Chris W That's the whole idea behind using USB-C though - to save waste (from companies shipping PSUs with everything).

My recently purchased iPhone didn't come with a charger - the idea being that you use one of your existing chargers.

I've already got huge numbers of "wall wart" power supplies in this house, of various voltages, current, AC, DC, positive centre, negative centre, barrel size, connector type..... IMO it's nice to have something generic for a change.

[phio

Gimmicky Trash.

"Kontrol comes with a USB-C cable."

No it doesn't. Just bought on brand new S88 mkiii and there was no cable, no manual, no "quick start" card - nothing except for a cardboard box and a keyboard. I went out and bought a USB C cable it says "low power", etc. ****** NI? Are you trying to destroy your brand? So now I either have to order a power supply or use one of my Mac Thunderbolt ports for your keyboard? ******???????

[phio

The links above don't reference what they claim. One is to a charger that requires you buy a separate USB-C cable. The other is to a charger that is for a pixel book with extra USBA ports. There is also no guarantee these will work. What if you want to use the keyboard as a midi controller away from your computer? You have to buy its own power supply? I don't understand what they are thinking.

[phio

I'm unable to post a link, support won't email me back and thus there is no way to confirm if a specific charger purchased an Amazon will work.

Do Apple power bricks work? Can I use one of the ones I have? How do I know how many watts or amps these are? Will it damage the keyboard if I have too few watts? Too many (does "or more" mean the sky's the limit)?

[phio

I bought it from Guitar Center.

If all these troubleshooting steps did not help, please use a USB-C power supply (5 V, 7.5 W or higher, 1.5 A or higher) with its own USB-C cable. These are the specs for a regular USB-C charger that you might have along with your smartphone.

Does this mean I can use an iPhone brick to power the S88?

" It doesn't include a power adapter and specifies that it doesn't…. "

Not on the box. It's a "surprise" you get when you get it home. The box nor the pre-sales description specifics that "POWER SUPPLY NOT INCLUDED". A "competent shopper"???

Sweetwater:

"Power Supply: USB bus powered"

It's not tho. If you have a Mac it eats a Thunderbolt port - not just a USB port.

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