KK s61 mk3 \ Studio One 7 : Restart necessary on power off S61?

DPFranz

The s61 mk3 is quite a nice unit. It is working very well in Studio One 7 for me. One little question:

It appears that in order to have the s61 "DAW" button at far right function after I have turned off the s61, and turn it back on, it is first necessary to fully restart Studio One 7. Is this others' experience as well?

While doing the "Reconnect..." function in Studio One External Devices tab will generally reset all connections to my external synths, etc., the s61 DAW button does not come back to life. I imagine NI is probably working on this. I'm just happy to see Studio One 6.5 and later listed in the s61 spec. And of course, restarting Studio One is a pretty easy workaround.

Vocalpoint

"The only reason I ask is that I would prefer to leave Studio One running when I go to bed, but turn off hardware"

I would strongly recommended against this order of events for many a reason.

All you need is a power bump and there goes your session. Cannot tell you how many users I have helped try to rescue a session due to an unplanned computer error, power loss, failed power supply, static - you name it.

Backing up your active session, closing Studio One completely and turning off the hardware is the only true method to ensure your work is not compromised.

VP

Vocalpoint

"It appears that in order to have the s61 "DAW" button at far right function after I have turned off the s61, and turn it back on, it is first necessary to fully restart Studio One 7. Is this others' experience as well?"

For me - and I currently use the S61MKII - I always start the device in the early morning and leave it on until the end of the day.

Studio One is always started AFTER the hardware is powered up. And S1 is shut down while the hardware is powered up. Has never ever presented a problem.

Logically - for any piece of hardware to work at all within Studio One - it must fully powered on prior to any Studio One startup. Same deal for my audio interface. Can't fire up S1 and then power on the audio - guaranteed fireworks and errors.

Cannot think of any scenario where I would ever power down any piece of hardware - while still inside a S1 session. That is asking for a hassle.

VP

DPFranz

Agreed. This is the way. The only reason I ask is that I would prefer to leave Studio One running when I go to bed, but turn off hardware. Everything else in my studio is ok with this, except for the DAW button on the s61. BTW, I have the mkII as well, and for that controller, I find that transport buttons don't work on restart with S1 left running, whereas with the mk3, transport and all other buttons except 'DAW' work without restarting S1.

Vocalpoint

"The only reason I ask is that I would prefer to leave Studio One running when I go to bed, but turn off hardware"

I would strongly recommended against this order of events for many a reason.

All you need is a power bump and there goes your session. Cannot tell you how many users I have helped try to rescue a session due to an unplanned computer error, power loss, failed power supply, static - you name it.

Backing up your active session, closing Studio One completely and turning off the hardware is the only true method to ensure your work is not compromised.

VP

DPFranz

Good point. Thanks

Ongey

I presume there was no solution to this? It's really annoying if I start my KK S61 MK3 keyboard after Studio One (or have to switch my keyboard off and on - usually because of a weird issue with the touchstrip constantly resetting to zero - might not be NI's problem though). After this, my keyboard doesn't respond to track changes, doesn't have the DAW button lit, and sometimes has combinations of Loop, Stop and Play lit (and combinations of them working or not). Sometimes a button that is not lit will work, e.g. Record.

But it's all arbitrary, effectively rendering the keyboard unusable except for basic MIDI note input. I have to restart Studio One, which is a bit of a pain because I'm currently working with large orchestral templates that take ages to load!

In hindsight, I'm not sure if I'd have purchased the MK3 - lots of bugs since purchase late-2023. Yes, some have been addressed through Support, and there have been updates / fixes. But I think everyone can agree, the software has been pretty flaky, e.g. am still avoiding Komplete Kontrol software (use Kontakt 8 instead) due to perceived big memory leaks that others have also reported.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/223099#Comment_223099

Only solution I know is what I already posted:

"Studio One is always started AFTER the hardware is powered up. And S1 is shut down while the hardware is powered up"

100% guaranteed to work everytime.

Can't comment on your workflow or a need to start the keyboard AFTER Studio One. That is not the correct order for anything to work.

VP

JesterMgee

It's normal with a lot of DAWs when you power up devices after the DAW loads due to how the DAW registers MIDI ports and control surfaces on startup. Same as switching things off when running, this can cause ports to just freeze or not respond correct when they come back. It's like if you also switch off or disconnect the audio interface, I use Ableton and have had that just freeze, Maschine will just crash. I have a startup utility that checks if my controllers are all connected and just warns if one is not powered on before Live launches, just saves that headache of forgetting something.

I would assume if you were leaving a session on all night at the least you would save the project before leaving so not a real worry what happens overnight but short answer for sanity would be, if you are fine to leave your PC on all night it should also be fine to leave the connected hardware on too. By the time it burns out it will be unsupported and obsolete anyway.