Komplete 7 reactivation in Windows XP
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@Jeremy_NI ; just giving you a head's up on this one.
Does anybody HAVE the EULA from that version? If it's stored on the installer CDs or hard drives, I may be able to look it up (I've kept all of my NI media).
The reason I ask is that the EULA might actually contain a contractual "out" for Native Instruments. Back in those days, they were run in Germany by Germans, who I believe were quite fastidious when writing contracts. Fastidious to the point of being Sheliac, for those of you who might get that reference.
To the OP: I wouldn't ASSUME that the old EULA actually protects you. You must actually read the EULA. And then have other people read it. And then maybe have your own legal counsel read it. You might find that the EULA protects the vendor more than it protects you. Surprise!
Oh, and there's one other thing. Today's Native Instruments is not the same as the old Native Instruments. You might need an attorney's input on this, but it's possible that legally speaking, 2024 Native Instruments has no responsibility to adhere to EULAs and agreements made by "pre-buyout Native Instruments". If that's true, you can stamp your feet and throw a temper tantrum in the middle of the toy aisle, but wouldn't do you any good.
After all that, you might just be better off upgrading your rig. If your soul can't bear the pain of upgrading, then just find a different alternative..
Oh, and one small point (because words mean things): I take issue with your claim of being a "loyal" customer. To the technical-minded, a loyal customer would be one that keeps up at least with the minimum requirements. Marketing would say that "being loyal" would mean that you are regularly buying from the company. It doesn't sound like you do either. You bought a copy of the software from the days of cuneiform and now you expect it to still work. Call yourself whatever you like, but "a loyal customer" is probably not it.
Anyway, good luck.
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"To the technical-minded, a loyal customer would be one that keeps up at least with the minimum requirements. Marketing would say that "being loyal" would mean that you are regularly buying from the company. It doesn't sound like you do either."
Glad someone finally said the quiet part out loud.
Bravo on the EULA thing as well - that holds zero water - especially after a corporate sale. There is no way the new venture capitol owners of NI today - would ever agree to buy the company and still have to tippy-toe around any agreements from 20 years ago.
The only EULA that matters today is the one currently on the website. And it is devoid of any language regarding any alternate form of activation outside of Native Access.
VP
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Here is the EULA. It appears during the installation process of KOMPLETE 7.
The key paragraph is:
II.NATIVE INSTRUMENTS SOFTWARE / HARDWARE LICENSING AGREEMENT
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2.Registration / Activation
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ShouldNative Instruments for whatever reasons no longer be able to fulfillits obligations to deliver the activation key, it will provide theLicensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the softwareindependent of changes of the computer.
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Native Instruments discontinued Sevice Center in 2020, many products could not be activated any more.
https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/de/articles/360006053397-Einstellung-von-Service-Center-und-%C3%A4lteren-Produkten
Native Instruments did not "provide theLicensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the softwareindependent of changes of the computer."
Instead, Native Instruments declared many products as "end of life" and "not supported any more".
And, there is no contractual "out" for Native Instruments, other than do, what they finally did:
- Shut down Service Center
- Ignore the user`s protest (many talked about legal action)
- Accept, that many users will leave, but new ones will come
N.I.`s reputation is bad since then. I`ve learned my lesson: KORE, B4, SPEKTRAL DELAY etc. discontinued AND no activation anymore? Should i buy anymore from NI ? I did, but I`m very, very careful! No hardware anymore. Native Access? Still not working properly.
NI is a big company with big problems. There are a lot of others with top notch quality and support.
Last thoughts: How long is the "EULA" valid? Couldn`t find an expiry date. Maybe until the next "corporate sale"? Is this normal nowadays? Is this the Wild Wild West?
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Until you can confirm any EULA (other than the current one ) is even remotely enforceable - it is merely your opinion. Only a legal representative from NI can determine if it's a fact.
And - NI has been sold several times since the 2000's.
Highly unlikely (actually more like impossible) that any buyer would accept honoring any old EULAs as part of any sale.
VP
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BIF and Vocalpoint
For me loyal custome it's means non piracy customer for anywere and anytime. Even 20 years ago. Even Microsoft understand it. What I didn't expect from them.
For many company's too
Yesterday i install and acitvate (online!) my BFD 2, Today XLN Audio Addictive Keys (online too!).
I still waiting for awnser from NI…
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Acceptance of the EULA by the licensee results in a contract between the licensee and the manufacturer, which is concluded during the installation process from the previously purchased data medium. Therefore, it is a fact and not my opinion, that this can be enforced (and there is, of course, no need for a representative of NI to verify it), because this contract based on the EULA is protected by law and consumer protection.
A new owner of the software company must, of course, also respect the existing licensing agreements, that result from previous sales.
It`s sad but true, that some companies don`t follow the law and unfortunately get away with it (as long as we let them).
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The old contracts, like EULA, are of course valid on, even if there is 50 new owners in row…. Contract is between customer and NI, not between customer and company owner.
Old EULA clearly says what NI should do. And the licence is perpetual. I am pretty sure, that NI would loose in the legal sue. They IMHO rely on the fact, that nobody will sue them because of "few" old plugins. And if one does intend to do so, they offer enought "value" in exchange for "loss" that one does not bring it to the court. My wild guess is that they have evaluated that it is less expensive to do so than maintain old system… :-(
The new EULA is not that clear and straitforward, but if NI would stop authorising certain SW like e.g. Absynth, they might loose at court as well. And stopping authorisation on Win10 is also IMHO break of new EULA. As old Native Access have run and still runs on Win10….
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IMHO, solution for this unfortunate situation that NI has created would be, to include offline activation to Native Access 2. And file generated by Service Center would be also accepted. And activation file would also be usable in Service Center.
This way, WinXP and Win10 (and also old MacOS versions) could be serviced by Service Center, newer OSes by NA2.
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IMHO, NI could implement it fast. Anyway NA1/NA2 must send the computer "signature" and receive activation files. In case NI would like to use only one file format for files sent and received, NI could provide a new offline authorisation program for WinXP, Win10 and old MacOs versions….
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Old EULA clearly says what NI should do. And the licence is perpetual. I am pretty sure, that NI would loose in the legal sue. They IMHO rely on the fact, that nobody will sue them because of "few" old plugins. And if one does intend to do so, they offer enought "value" in exchange for "loss" that one does not bring it to the court. My wild guess is that they have evaluated that it is less expensive to do so than maintain old system… :-(
The new EULA is not that clear and straitforward, but if NI would stop authorising certain SW like e.g. Absynth, they might loose at court as well. And stopping authorisation on Win10 is also IMHO break of new EULA. As old Native Access have run and still runs on Win10….
Agreed 100%.
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You guys keep copying and pasting everything from 15 years ago that you think might help.
I do like your spirit.
Good luck guys.VP
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@jjezier - I hope you get a suitable answer from NI. The whole subject of activation has come up numerous times and many, including myself, have voiced concerns about NI's activation process, or the lack thereof, for older systems. I agree totally that you should be able to continue using your products you paid for as long as you don't expect ongoing support like perpetual bug fixes etc, but you're not doing that. You simply want to use what you've paid for.
Dont listen to the thought police around here telling/insinuating you're foolish if you dont keep up to date. If your NI software is doing what you want then good on you for sticking to your guns.
I'm still waiting to hear what NI is going to do about offline activation and providing installers for legit customers, which they said they'de look into.
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