Behind the scenes: Unveiling Jacob Collier Audience Choir

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  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,364 Expert
    edited March 2
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    @Ilay_NI wrote

    we tossed in a chord generator for crafting harmonies in major & minor scales in your chosen root key

    Your music theory must be very alternative to mine. Why is there an F#, A and B (b durum = h) when playing chords in C minor? Actually doesn't matter which key, the chords for minor scales are completely out of whack. IMO.

    BTW, lovely instrument, and thank you very much! 🤩

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 1,216 Guru
    edited March 2
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    As it's Jacob Collier behind this, it's not surprising that the chords may be a bit more "advanced".

    C diminished 7th, C minor with a major 7th

    If he can surprise even Herbie Hancock...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex7c_zm9Pb8

  • reffahcs
    reffahcs Member Posts: 848 Guru
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    I'm using those next time I get a phone call about my vehicles extended warranty.

  • TolgaZafer_NI
    TolgaZafer_NI Product Team Posts: 4 mod
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    Dear Ozon,

    Thank you for your comment. The chordal structures you're referring to were specifically designed for this instrument by Jacob Collier. They are indeed unusual, focusing not on traditional chordal functions but rather on voice leading approaches, especially when playing chromatically. This method might differ from conventional generators, but it definitely offers a personal perspective on harmony.

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,364 Expert
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    Thank you very much for this explanation.

    Is the underlying music theory documented in the manual (which I must have missed)?

  • TolgaZafer_NI
    TolgaZafer_NI Product Team Posts: 4 mod
    edited March 5
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    Hi Ozon,

    Underlying music theory is pretty straightforward that you can experience by yourself also. Just start from the first note and go up chromatically. Each key contains a three-note chord and you can hear each note can be considered as an independent voice. Observe how they move and interact with each other in terms of voice leading. Once you complete the whole octave, you will reach where you started, with an octave difference of course.

    The underlying music theory is not documented in the manual, otherwise it would have been such a long manual :) But I can tell you that there are quite a lot of secondary diminished chords to maintain the ascending fashion. You can take a look at it from the following link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEOS3tZDKc

    If you are too adventurous to learn the intricacy of voiceleading, I can also suggest J.J. Fux- Gradus ad Parnassum, a book that has been written in the 18th century, which still is valid in terms of administrating the voices independently, yet harmonious:

    http://www.opus28.co.uk/Fux_Gradus.pdf

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,364 Expert
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    @TolgaZafer_NI thank you very much for the additional information. I will give the Chords function another try with these insights in mind.

  • Baer
    Baer Member Posts: 3 Member
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    Haha, I fell into the same trap and filed a bug ticket. The "Minor" designation is quite confusing. Maybe it would be more fitting if it were labeled "Minor altered"? It is actually a nice touch to have. For the regular minor chords I will simply use an external chord generator (e.g. conveniently available in Komplete Kontrol). In my current project the regular intervals sound better with the rest of the composition than the altered version inside the plugin.

  • TolgaZafer_NI
    TolgaZafer_NI Product Team Posts: 4 mod
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    Dear @Baer

    I agree it is confusing, because it acts like a melodic minor.

    There is one cool feature about this chorder: You can play polyphonically. For example, if you play two notes while the chord generator is open, you can stack the triads to have a six-note chord. ;) So, it's easy to build massive chords.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,886 mod
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    Just annoying it continues this trend of NI Instruments hard coding the Modwheel into a dynamics/expression control. Modhweel should be available for modulation, not turned into what is essentially a mix volume control.

  • David Willis
    David Willis Member Posts: 26 Member
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    A waste of space since even after you get the instrument it never shows up in Kontakt because Kontakt 7 is broken so badly.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,886 mod
    edited March 9
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    Maybe you need to update Kontakt, it seems to be loading for most people?

  • Ilay_NI
    Ilay_NI Product Team Posts: 3 mod
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    hey @David Willis ! Sorry to hear that you're having troubles with Kontakt 7! Have you try contacting the support team through the form below? https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/sections/360000092857


    Or maybe @Jeremy_NI could help us here understand the problem better!

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Customer Care Posts: 9,965 mod
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    @David Willis issue was fixed by installing the latest version of Native Access.

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