Unable to automate 3rd party VST's (Omnisphere) when running in Komplete Kontrol

scpower300

Hi everyone. I'm brand new here. I'm currently running Logic Pro X on an Apple MacBook Pro M2/Ventua 13.3. I recently discovered that I can run 3rd party Synths inside of Komplete Kontrol allowing me to take advantage of the features of Komplete Kontrol, which is awesome. I have a project set up with an instance of Komplete Kontrol running Omnisphere. When I attempt to automate any of Omnispheres parameters, automation lanes are showing up in my DAW, but the automation lane does not control the parameter I'm attempting to automate...Hope this is clear. Can anyone help me out please? Thank you.

Kymeia

Yeah the video makes it clear that problem is as I have said; you are trying to automate the Omnisphere knob directly. It needs to be assigned to a Komplete Kontrol knob first because, since Komplete Kontrol is acting as a subhost, what Logic 'see's' in terms of what can be picked up by the automation latch mode is unassigned Komplete Kontrol params, not Omnisphere params. This is where one of the pre mapped templates from Freelance could help, or you can do it yourself in a few minutes eg - very quick and dirty video of how to do this from scratch:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym3aiz4f5ktjojf/Screen%20Recording%202024-03-02%20at%2017.37.38.mov?dl=0

Kymeia

Omnisphere has potentially hundreds of automatable params, but you have to set them up first in the plugin by right clicking on a knob, selecting Enable Host Automation, and adding it to the automatable params list. Best to do this in logical order of the params you want to have most accessible.

Otherwise use one of the prebuilt NKS libraries for it from https://www.freelancesoundlabs.com/

scpower300

Hey Kymeia, thanks so much for the response. I should’ve mentioned that I’ve already enabled host automation in Omnisphere. And when I select automation latch mode in my DAW, and select the parameter in Omni that I’d like to automate, the automation lanes appear in my session view, but parameter knobs don’t turn/automate.

Kymeia

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/133907#Comment_133907

Have you mapped them to Komplete Kontrol knobs?

scpower300

Yep. Also not working. :/

Kymeia

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/133914#Comment_133914

What's not working - mapping them to KK controls?

Try one of the demo NKS templates from https://www.freelancesoundlabs.com/ - they should work

scpower300

The mapping and control is working...Like when I turn a knob on my Komplete Kontrol keyboard, I see the knob in Omnisphere moving, it's just not allowing me to record any automation data into my DAW. I have a patch that I spent a lot time on in Omni, I'd just like to be able to record automation. I would use Omni by itself in Logic, but I'm also using the chord/scale mode in my Komplete Kontrol because I don't play the piano.

Kymeia

Have you set automation record to touch or latch mode?

scpower300

Yes I have.

scpower300

Anyone else? This issue is still unresolved.

Kymeia

Without being able to see what you are doing it's hard to know what is going wrong because provided you have setup automated params in Omnisphere, mapped them to KK controls and set automation to a write mode, this should work and certainly does work for me in Logic. Nor have I come across anyone identifying a bug with Omnsiphere automation in KK. Have you tried one of the Freelance templates that are already setup with mappings as I suggested? You can download a demo for free.

JesterMgee

Maybe it is a Logic issue tho Kymeia is pretty experienced on that front and if he has no real idea of an issue, would say it is something you are doing.

I am an Ableton user and I use the NKS library I created for Omnisphere and that works as expected. As long as the control is set as "Host Automatable" in Omnisphere and then mapped as a control in KK, pressing Record on the track will capture the automation as excpected. Usually the only reason it wouldn't would be the control is not enabled for HA or not mapped in KK itself. Would need screenshots or videos or something.

Kymeia

Maybe it is a Logic issue tho Kymeia is pretty experienced on that front and if he has no real idea of an issue, would say it is something you are doing.

Yeah I have used this many times in Logic, it works for me and I have not heard of it not working for anyone else

Kymeia

Yes a video showing the steps involved leading up to the problem might be useful

scpower300

I appreciate the help on this guys. I’m a 12 year Logic user myself, so by no means am I a newb…This is the first time I’ve ever had an issue like this also. I’ll look into the NKS library that you both are suggesting. I’ll also make a video when I get home which will probably make this a lot easier.

scpower300

Hey guys. Sorry for the delay. Here's a video and thanks so much for the help.

IMG_5313.MOV.zip