Syncing Traktor with a live setup

I've been DJing of sorts for almost 30years, started on vinyl and as time moved on I found the new tech interesting and now like to have lots of things running at the same time a loop of one track here with a bassline, a loop of something else bringing in another part there. and create my own sound out of multiple parts so now because of al the different elements I sync everything together (I can beat match and mix by ear, but when you have all these elements going on, if I was to try and keep it all in time by ear I wouldn't have tome to be creative).

I use a S4, along with 2 x F1s (controlling patten players) and a D2 which I take and fire Samples from or run stems. My friend uses 2x CDJ-3000 2x 1210`s and has a A&H DB4 and is always beat matching.

Question 1 - We want to play together as more of a combined set. What we need is a way of syncing the 2 together so my Traktor is in time with his live mixing so we can do a hybrid B2B Mix.

I understand that the DB4 can give out a midi clock, but not sure if this is correct. Problem is the DB4 isn't supported for a firmware update due to the chips in the new macs being incompatible.

Its ok when he is mixing out of mine into his because its beat matched by ear, but when i want to mix into his I have to beat match by ear with my master clock which I can do but it can be a bit of a laborious mix and not the easiest. so to do a couple of tracks each is a pain.

What I need is something that can take the audio and turn that into a midi beat clock that I can feed into my mac running Traktor. Is there such a thing? If my setup was constantly in time with his I can also add stuff over his mix.

Question 2 - In essence we each have a mixer how is it best to link the 2 together? We have fed mine into his as a channel, but then when I come to mix out of his into mine I have to use both mixers at the same time as I have to bring his track down on his mixer and mine up on his mixer but I'm also controlling the stuff going on with my mixer as I'm controlling my loops etc?

I've seen setups with 4 DJ's all with their own setup all playing simultaneously but not sure if there were all digital and there for could connect to a master clock.

I'm hoping someone out there has some tips or ideas,

Thanks in advance.


Steve

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  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 2,886 mod

    Hello,

    have you tried the tap tempo function in traktors master clock panel and sync the decks to the master clock?

  • frosty_ulike
    frosty_ulike Member Posts: 4 Member

    Thanks for the response, my side of the setup is always all synced to the master clock, it’s getting the master clock synced to what is essentially a live performance. Yes I can quickly get the bpm the same and then have to line it up by moving the master clock, but it’s time I want to spend doing something rather than spending it keeping stuff in time.

    If he changes the tempo I want my setup to keep in time, without me worrying and leaving me to be creative in that time.

    Ideally it needs to be something that is creating a a midi clock from the audio output from his setup that I can input into my setup.

  • viper9711
    viper9711 Member Posts: 64 Helper

    Maybe this helps:

    12.2. Synchronize TRAKTOR via MIDI clock

    With TRAKTOR you can synchronize external hardware and software via MIDI clock signals, which is set in the global area of the master control panel.

    The MIDI clock is activated on the External Sync Page in the Preferences.

    12.2.1. TRAKTOR to an external MIDI clock signal

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    TRAKTOR can receive MIDI clock signals from other computers (clock slave) running TRAKTOR, but also from other applications or from hardware that sends MIDI clock.

    1. Open the Controller Manager page in the Preferences.

    2. Click Add...

    3. Select Generic MIDI from the drop-down menu to create a new Generic MIDI Device.

    4. In the In-Port drop-down menu, select the port on which the device should receive the incoming MIDI clock.

    5. Open the External Sync page in the Preferences.

    6. Click EXT to select the external clock source.

    7. Close the Preferences.

    8. Click EXT in the Master Control Panel.

     Resetting the downbeat can cause the link timeline to move backwards by one or two beats.

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    Advanced work with TRAKTOR

    The TRAKTOR master clock now follows the external MIDI clock signal as soon as it is started.

    9. Press the Start button on the sending device to synchronize the clock to the MIDI clock phase of the software or hardware.

    If there is an offset between the sending hardware or software and TRAKTOR, this offset must be set in the sending master device.


    12.2.2. Use TRAKTOR as master clock

    If TRAKTOR's master clock is to be used as a tempo source, TRAKTOR must send the MIDI clock signal to the external hardware or software.

    1. Open the Controller Manager page in the Preferences.

    2. Create a new Generic MIDI Device.

    3. Assign the Out-Port output to the device to which the MIDI clock signal should be sent.

    4. Open the External Sync page in the Preferences.

    5. Check Enable MIDI Clock.

    Now the additional MIDI clock functions are displayed in the master control panel.

    6. To start sending the MIDI clock signal, click the Start/Stop button. Another click on it stops sending.

    When MIDI Clock is activated, the Start/Stop button lights up blue. The Tempo Display shows the tempo of the MIDI clock signal in BPM.

    After clicking the SYNC button, TRAKTOR triggers a MIDI clock stop command, followed by a MIDI clock start command to resynchronize the external hardware or software.

    It may be necessary to set the offset between TRAKTOR and the receiver hardware or software.

  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 2,886 mod
    edited December 2023

    Exactly - if you want to be in sync with your friend, he needs something to put out a midi clock, or better, ableton sync. In the past there where devices for analyzing beats and give out a clock, but you can only get those things used now as far as I know.

  • frosty_ulike
    frosty_ulike Member Posts: 4 Member

    Hi viper9711 - yes I can do all this, sometimes I run Ableton alongside and sync it, I have also run other hardware and am able to do it, my issue is I want my friends more standard DJ setup to be the master clock which doesn’t have a midi clock out. So like Uwe303 says I need something to create a clock from the audio that I can then use that.

    Uwe303 - yes this is exactly what I need, I remember when I was first DJing there was kit that you could get that analysed the beat and gave a bpm, so I’m sure that those could probably give a midi clock out but I can’t remember any of them and I think they were a bit unstable. But with the 30years since of technology I’m sure something of the same sort of thing would be much more stable. It just seems no one makes such things anymore.

    Thanks both for your replies, guess I’ll keep looking.👍😁

  • Uwe303
    Uwe303 Moderator Posts: 2,886 mod

    Found this, but it's only for mac:


  • frosty_ulike
    frosty_ulike Member Posts: 4 Member

    Uwe303 - I think you may of cracked it!! From read ing this it seems to do the bit which has been the big problem and that is to turn audio into a midi clock.

    I can run an output from his mixer into this software and then either a live channel in my Traktor or into even if it has to go into a separate Mac and then ableton and then use ableton lint to sync the spare Mac with mine. I think there are many different solutions for that bit, so I will have. a play around and see which is best for latency and best stability. But if this software does what it says it does to will have solved the bit I was stuck on.

    I've got quite a bit on at the ,minute but as soon as I get chance I will try this all out and report back.

    Thank you very ,much for taking the time and finding this for me. I spent hours trying to find something so really appreciate the time and effort. I will let you know how I get on, but thanks again for all your efforts!


    Synced setup here we come ( Well hopefully)

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