Where did Batch Resave go?

Antony Robinson

So I see in the latest 7.7 the icons have gone, now we have actual words. I'm OK with that, but under "File" I cannot find Batch Resave. I've looked elsewhere on the GUI but can't find it.

Where did Batch Resave go?

Jeremy_NI

@Antony Robinson There were some changes to the user interface: Kontakt 7.7 - User Interface Changes

To access the batch and resave option, you need to go in the rack view:

Jeremy_NI

So it seems this is intentional, and was mentioned in the changelog of Kontakt 7.7.0:

We'll update our article, as maybe not everyone reads the release notes for every update.

Milos

Maybe you should reinstall K7.

I did and it solved the isaue for me personally.

I have batch resave on my tab.

Let me show you.

Hope it helps.

Antony Robinson

I reinstalled just before I asked this question and do not see that option at all (or the Collect Samples).

Milos

Oh...

Maybe PoorFellow can help you with that.

You can ask him.

Antony Robinson

OK, it seems it's in the standalone (which I never use) but is no longer in the plug-in. Nice going NI.

michaelv

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/108585#Comment_108585

Yes: nice going indeed. Are NI affiliated with Apple, by any chance? Removing useful, long-standing features that then inconvenience people by their absence, within listening to their valued customers.

I hardly ever use the standalone, and then only to install a library. Why on EARTH would NI remove this?? It's standard practice (and advised by them) to batch resave a new library. I always do it, and from the Kontakt login within Logic.So much faster. not now, it seems.

And I dislike the removal of the icons that now make people with poor eyesight struggle that bit more.Please reinstate.

Yep. Nice going NI.

Jeremy_NI

@Antony Robinson There were some changes to the user interface: Kontakt 7.7 - User Interface Changes

To access the batch and resave option, you need to go in the rack view:

Antony Robinson

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/110346#Comment_110346

I already am in Rack view as you can see from my screen shot. The Batch option is not there. I am talking about the plug-in, not the standalone. I never use the standalone, only the plug-in. The plug-in has lost the Batch Resave option. Your screen shot looks like the standalone to me, I need the VST3 to have Batch Resave.

Antony Robinson

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/110346#Comment_110346

That looks like the standalone to me. I never use the standalone, only the VST3. Batch Resave has disappeared off the plug-in for some reason (on PC, your screen shot is Mac). I am not sure why NI deemed this a necessary change, I don't want to launch the standalone just to do my batch resaves.

Antony Robinson

That looks like the standalone to me. I never use the standalone, only the VST3. Batch Resave has disappeared off the plug-in for some reason (on PC, your screen shot is Mac). I am not sure why NI deemed this a necessary change, I don't want to launch the standalone just to do my batch resaves.

MevSydney

Definitely need to put it back in the plugin, NI. Please do it on the next update, it will help so many of us.

Jeremy_NI

@Antony Robinson @MevSydney You are right, the batch re-save function is not showing when Kontakt 7 is used as a VST3 or AU plug-in. I'm trying to get more info regarding this change.

Maybe @EvilDragon you can shed some light on this one?

Jeremy_NI

So it seems this is intentional, and was mentioned in the changelog of Kontakt 7.7.0:

We'll update our article, as maybe not everyone reads the release notes for every update.

Antony Robinson

So is that because they think plug-in users are dumber than standalone users? What is the thinking?

Kymeia

No of course not. I suspect it's more because NI have always encouraged people to load and manage libraries in the standalone before opening them in the plugin and I guess they want to encourage people to use the standalone more for file operations and management and the plugin for performance. To be honest I had never even considered people would prefer to do batch resave in the plugin version. Personally for something as critical as ensuring reliability and stability during a quite intense set of file operations, and that nothing goes wrong with that process that could corrupt my libraries, I always do batch resaves in the standalone, cutting out the potential complications a host might bring into the equation. Hosts aren't always consistently stable when doing multiple file operations at a fast pace, and if the user has not enabled permissions and things like full disk access (on Mac) a host could actually mess up the resave process. I am sure most people here who do use the plugin version for this have not experienced this, otherwise they would not be doing it this way, but I also would not be at all surprised if over the years NI have had users coming to them with messed up libraries after doing a batch resave only to find the complicating factor was the host. So I guess NI are just playing it safe by removing it.

Antony Robinson

I literally have never had a single Batch Resave issue using the plug-in in the 11 years I've had Kontakt. This is in various versions of Cubase and Studio One on much slower PCs than the super-fast monster computer I bought this year.

I have never used the standalone, which is actually more likely to crash my system as it can't cope with the audio drivers for my system as it's a bit obscure (SCOPE XITE-1 if you're interested). So I have to select my Realtek card drivers just to stop the standalone blue-screening: hence I never use it, to the point where I always deleted the start icon from my desktop as I don't like unnecessary clutter.