User Reaktor ensembles on Maschine+ Standalone
Has anybody had any success with this? I know it's not officially supported yet but I know some people have got a few things working.
I have followed the instructions here:
and here:
and my snapshots show up in the browser but when I try to load them I get "Reaktor could not be loaded" error.
Can anyone help?
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Unfortunately, the art of making Reaktor Ensembles work on the M+ seems to be closer related to alchemy than logic.
For me, some of the above used to work, but doesn’t anymore. Don’t know which of the updates broke it. Could be related a Reaktor version mismatch between my M+ and computer.
And sadly, I’ve given up because it’s too much work and too fragile.
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Tonight I got it to work. I updated Reaktor in the M+ to the latest version and now it just works.
The only problem I have is getting the parameters to appear on the correct knobs, they seem to be jumbled up. But I am optimistic. Very exciting to be able to make music standalone with my own Reaktor synths and not have to browse NI presets for something close enough to be edited to what I need. I can stop nagging them to unlock all the parameters in FM8.
They should stabilise this and advertise it because it is THE killer feature compared to MPCs etc.
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@nuromantix wrote:
They should stabilise this and advertise it because it is THE killer feature compared to MPCs etc.
Exactly. This. A thousand times.
Hardware running Reaktor (reliably!) is THE SYNTH KILLER SYNTH.
Tonight I got it to work. I updated Reaktor in the M+ to the latest version and now it just works.
Great that it is now working for you. I hope you can get over the various obstacles. I'm not really a Reaktor user (rather a Reaktor Player user) and have a hard time understanding how to properly edit Ensembles.
Regarding not needing FM8 anymore because of Reaktor: Why? Is there an FM8 Reaktor Ensemble?
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The thing about FM8 is that you cannot access all the parameters in standalone, so all you can do is browse presets and tweak a limited number of parameters. If I make my own FM synth in Reaktor and put it on the M+ then I can make it fully editable. I don't want to have to hook up a computer whenever I want to make a patch, I just personally find computer screens a big turn off when I am making music.
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IIRC you can make a macro in Maschine desktop if you want to rename/sort your Reaktor Ensemble's parameters. Then save it as a sound and load that?
I think the Ens parameters are listed by their IDs? You should also be able to sort them in Reaktor directly.
A simple FM synth with a coupla operators should be easy enough to build in Reaktor.
In the case of FM8, most of the parameters are actually visible, aside from the modulation matrix. But it's still quite unusable because you have no way to control the ratios with enough precision to end up with stable pitched sounds. It's a bit of a pickle, which even macros do not solve, there would need to be some sort of numerical entry option in Maschine+ UI
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@nuromantix wrote: They should stabilise this and advertise it because it is THE killer feature compared to MPCs etc.
Quite interested in this possibility as well. No guarantee but I'll try to grab some info here and there internally in case it's something doable 👀
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Got the parameters correctly mapped now. I can get my own synths working on M+ and they sound great and work properly. The interface is not great but workable.
The only small problem is that if you carry on scrolling at the end of all the parameters, M+ dispays loads of pages of empty parameters and zeroes. But I can ignore that.
Can't get FX ensembles to work yet.
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Similar problem with FX. Some work, most don’t.
What procedure are you using to map the parameters properly? For mr it’s hit and miss. Names are often unusable and order is random sometimes even starting with empty parameters.
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I haven't managed to make any FX work yet. Going to try a few more things when I get time.
To map the paramaters you have to individually edit each controller's Automation ID starting at 1 (not 0).
To make the names work the best thing is to keep them short and remember that if a control is inside a Macro then the Macro's name will be added to the beginning of the control like this example:
If you have a fader labeled LFO inside a macro called MOD then in M+ it will be labelled MOD:LFO.
Because there's only room for about 10 characters I tend to leave the name of each macro blank and then the names of the faders and knobs come out correctly on M+. It makes it harder to read your patch in Reaktor unfortunately.
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Got FX working too now.
Using my own Reaktor ensembles has really opened up Maschine+ into being a unique and amazing tool for making music.
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Hey @nuromantix, thanks for sharing the update!
We have another ongoing thread about this topic. Feel free to share your workaround there:
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Yes, Reaktor is a great addition to M+. I have been messing with building and modding ensembles for M+ use and have learned to deal with most of the challenges in porting ensembles to M+ so far.
Here's some of my findings which might be of interest:
• For maximum compatibility with M+, it is best to build ens files with the same version of Reaktor desktop as the Maschine+ version. Currently this version is 6.4.3., but this will change to 6.4.4. once the next Maschine+ OS update is released (betatesters of 1.4 already have Reaktor 6.4.4 running on their M+s)
• Getting parameter ID's through to Maschine, ID numbers of all parameters should be kept below 100. Reordering Reaktor ID's is a PITA but this must be done if you want the parameters accessable in M+. I'm not sure if only Automation ID's are relevant, but I've used the same ID's for both File ID's & Automation ID's, just to be sure.
• You need to use Maschine desktop for "tidying up" your ensembles. Once you are ready to deploy your ens to M+, open your ensemble in Maschine desktop, then click the "Pages" button (its below the "Automation" button next to a sound's paramters). Begin by deleting all parameter pages and clearing all assignments, this gets rid of all the mess. Next, start adding in your ensemble's parameters with the LEARN function. Create any relevant subpages so as to group the encoder banks in a way which makes the most sense for your ens (don't be afraid to leave gaps in the encoder rows if a particular page makes sense with less than 8 encoders). Finally, Create labels to your parameter pages by double clicking on the fields above the parameter knobs on the screen. These labels can be longer than the names of the controls, you can preview how the labels look by temporarily going into "Automation".
• If a specific parameter name looks weird in Maschine, you can make "aliases" of the parameter names via Reaktor. In the inspector pallette, go to the "Connect" tab, at the bottom in the section called "AUTOMATION" there is a field called "Custom Parameter Name": type in the new name for the parameter and it should immediately update in Maschine.
• Once you have tidied up the parameters, and laid everything out nicely on the param pages with sensible labelling, you need to save the reaktor as a Maschine sound. After this, you can quit Maschine desktop, Open up Reaktor, and load in that Maschine sound preset you just saved. Now, resave your snapshot and resave the ensemble, the snapshot you resaved will now have all the parameter mappings embedded you just created in Maschine.
• After all this, just copy the ens file to your SD card and you should be done!
PS: Make sure your ens build is located at the topmost level of the ensemble! Otherwise it will not load in M+
Also, consider adding event smoothers to parameters which intoduce glitching when modulated/automated in M+
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Great information, thank you.
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Where exactly on the sd card do you load the reaktor patches?
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Never mind, I found out and it works fine.
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