Feedback - Komplete Kontrol 3.0
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PLEASE take this as a joke!
NI as a big open air promoter:
“Guys, we won’t be amplifying guitars, cause our datas (shared only by synth players) say nowadays the majority of musicians use synths.
BUT…
Since we have Stevie Wonder performing between the other 100 artists, we will prioritize giving to every performer a cane to reach the stage, since we will also not be putting (useless) lights to illuminate it, because this is political friendly and helps making our brand name look very engaged”
This is not in any way an attack to visually impaired users (in facts, one of the few things that makes me proud to be a NI user is their engagement on this matter), but…ever thought of releasing the product when it was finished and guitarists, synths players and visually impaired users would all have been able to enjoy it?
Oh…I forgot: “Even if you are a synth player, if you use XY synth we won’t be amplifying you neither, cause it would require us to bring another different type of cable”
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Write automation in DAW is not possible with effect devices loaded after the instruments. Any sane reason for this?
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Please add "random sort" for the browser. It's about time for it.
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I appreciate that a lot of work must have gone in to developing the new version, and as an old guy I'm also cognizant of the trope that "anything new goes against nature" but as both a user and as someone who used to be involved quite a lot in UI design over several decades, quite frankly the new version leaves a lot to be desired. I see that development has taken NI a year, but it still feels very much like development was rushed. I have a few points to illustrate this (I have more. So many more.)
When you select a plugin from the browser, how does the user return to the browser pane if they change their mind? In version 2 and on the Komplete Kontrol keyboard, this was self evident; in version 3, the user is expected to know that they must click on the little "stacked books" icon. Would it have hurt to include a little "close window" button to make it obvious? And if I want to remove a plugin from interface (such as the CMI V synth in the screenshot below) rather than just return to the browser, how do I do this? There is no "X" to delete it and a day after installing the new version I have yet to discover if the program even allows me to do this. It should, but does it?
And let's just pick apart that little down arrow underneath "CMI V" in the screen shot below. What does it mean? To use the correct jargon, what are its affordances? What is the user expected to use it for? It should be as intuitively easy as possible to figure out each item of the interface, but this is one of many design choices that seems deliberately obtuse. Clicking on it displays three options: "Internal" "VST3" and "VST" so it's probably talking about plug-ins, right? Does that mean I can add an audio effect to my selection? Cool, let's do that. So if I click on "Internal" what do I get? Two further options: "Audio" and "Sampler". But clicking on "Audio" switches the browser to the "Loop" window, and "Sampler" switches it to the "One-shot" window. So why the different names for the options? Why are the options displayed when the user clicks on "Internal" not therefore labelled "Loop" and "One-shot"? Honestly, this is rookie-level stuff, folks.
Also: The CMI V icon looks lost in that massive grey square. Why is the button so big and the image so small? Look at all that empty display area going to waste. That would be shocking even if you weren't restricting the window size, but given that you are, it's an unforgivable design choice.
The new default sorting of instruments in the browser view is now entirely dependent on the plugin name assigned by the supplier. Before, All my Arturia V collection synths were grouped together; now, because their instruments are named by the synth name, they appear scattered through the default listing—even though "brand" is highlighted in the screen shot here, the list is not being sorted in the same way as it was in version 2. If you're not sorting something by one of the sort options displayed, DON'T HIGHLIGHT IT. Again, this is rookie-level stuff.
Unlike Arturia's products which appear in the screenshot above, all of Spitfire Audio's instruments appear together because their instrument names begin with "Spitfire Audio". So that's completely messed up the paradigm of the sort, for a start. It's clearly been identified as some sort of a problem, because the beginning of each name is truncated to "Spitfire Audi..." and the end of the name is appended to identify the plug-in. Nicely spotted, but it's not consistent, it's an ugly way of doing things, and it doesn't fix the underlying problem, which is that the way elements are sorted is broken and needs fixing. It's a kludge. And if there are kludges like this in the stuff I can see, what is the underlying code going to be like? This does not instil confidence, folks.
As a more subjective observation, the implementation seems to run noticeably slower on my Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2. Nice though the extra power of the Mk 3 is for users, it would be nice to think that the code has been optimised for older kit as well, not just the new shiny stuff. Given my comments above, you'll understand that I'm not exactly confident that will be the case.
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Not really - fx have always been an afterthought for KK. Until we get a dedicated effect version and support for automation for fx and saveable fx chains they will remain of limited value within KK (although more so in Maschine)
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Pro's so far for me:
I've talked with a colleague just before the update, that KK should consequently overtake the look of Kontakt 7. I love to have that now, so I won't even think of reverting the version. The workflow issues I adressed here are the same which have been already there.
Fonts look much better, and it's a joy navigating through all the presets now, looking at my 4K display on the wall. That was a pain before.
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I think, when the fx parameter writing issue is solved, the company should get modern and think about implementing layering/nesting options for devices, smart parameter handling, and macros. At the moment I'm happy with John Lehmkuhl's Unify for this workflow, but it would be very exciting to experience both worlds meeting... Dear NI - maybe you should cooperate with John ;-)
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There are lots of really bad UI issues but what makes things even worse is that it basically causes my Logic to stop being responsive momentarily when doing anything in it, or when opening an instance of KK when a simple project is playing; and I have a new Mac Studio Ultra!
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It's alright, but, I liked v2 better. I don't see any additional functionality, and, the on the GUI side, it simply appears that everything is displayed bigger now.
I also liked to have the preset browser on the left side, which left place for the plugin to be displayed.
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I would not want a separate, dedicated effect version of a KK derivative.
I'd rather see KK3 evolve to handle some of these desires.
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It could not do that without an effect version
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just from reading the first page of this thread i can see im not alone in thinking ni really focked up here! my whole entire work flow has just been sacked! thanks! my whole process is based around komplete kontrol and ni have literally taken away the tools ive paid for and replaced them with inadequate ******!
this new update is absolutely garbage and ruined what made komplete kontrol amazing. is there a way to revert back to the old software? i cant work with this. other people have already pointed out whats wrong so i dont need to repeat it all.
i expect komplete kontrol to go the way of massive. nobody uses massive x and most people still use the original massive as the update was another big balls up.
who ok'd this? someone who doesnt use komplete kontrol, thats who
this has left a really bitter taste in my mouth. i own komplete collecters edition and thousands of pounds of third party libraries and the experience of using them has just been sh1t on
at least give us 2 versions like massive. v2 that 90% of people will use and v3 that will go under the radar like massive x. if not, can i have a refund on all of my komplete products?
im so angry right now, i feel violated!!
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I'd disagree here - they'd simply need to allow the FX to start the chain, right? I might be being super special today.
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The new keyboards require KK3, yes, so this is one of several reasons why it's been released.
That said, it's been released before the new keyboards, so it's not solely linked to their existence.
Two things can be simultaneously true:
- We have many many more users than are represented here - and who use the features we've initially focused on, and don't use the ones we haven't yet.
- We have users (many of whom are represented here) that want to see improvements beyond those we've delivered, or the return of certain features not yet present in the new tech stack.
Regarding the former, we're good. Regarding the latter, I'm trying to highlight the next few things we're working on. Where there are skeptics, you can understand... they've only got the past on which to go. The team and I just have to show we're doing the things we've said we'll do.
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The agenda was transition everything to a new tech stack, in order to begin to accommodate more long-standing feature requests in a scalable way.
User interface resizing, for instance, wasn't possible on the old graphical framework (which used fixed bitmaps) but has now been implemented properly for host content resizing, with more resizing improvements planned.
As with any tech transition, not every last feature necessarily makes it right away.
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