Will the new KK Mk3 keyboards support Machine

Raoul French
Raoul French Member Posts: 6 Member
edited September 2023 in Komplete Kontrol

Hello can you please confirm whats going on with this ? Im seeing lots of reviews on line saying the new mk3 keyboards don't support Maschine. This is a very serious fundamental flaw if true. I use my mk2 alot with Maschine software within Logic. It's main part of my work flow & work template.

Can you please let me know as i can't upgrade if this is the case.

Thanks Raoul.

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  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 845 Guru

    It's incorrect to say they "don't support" Maschine, because the only difference is that some Maschine specific buttons were removed. They are still MIDI keyboards and will work as such with software that supports MIDI keyboards.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,488 Expert
    edited September 2023

    Except Maschine (software) currently doesn’t support aftertouch so the flip question is when will Maschine finally support NI keyboards?

  • Reefius
    Reefius Member Posts: 238 Pro

    There is currently zero integration with Maschine, all buttons like browser and mixer are off. Even transport controls are not working.

    I really hope NI updates Maschine software to work with the new keyboards before they are released on October 31. Transport controls, browser, plugin and mixer buttons should at least work. And (poly) aftertouch support in Maschine would be the cherry on top 😜

  • R_E_D
    R_E_D Member Posts: 32 Helper

    This is incorrect.

    There is a very deep integration between the MK2 and Maschine (too many to list here, plenty of videos on the topic) that no MIDI protocol will ever be able to handle. Not to say that NI couldn't make it happen in the future for MK3, but at this time the support for Maschine is completely gone.


  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 845 Guru
    edited September 2023

    the support for Maschine is completely gone

    How do you know this (considering the units are not available yet to most of us)?

    I could accept your comment if you'd tried a mk3 with Maschine software and confirmed it.

    I also stand by my earlier statement that they still work as MIDI keyboards, which surely is the main reason they're purchased.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Customer Care Posts: 8,888 mod
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    @Raoul French We published an article in our Knowledge base: Does Kontrol S MK3 Integrate with Maschine?

  • R_E_D
    R_E_D Member Posts: 32 Helper

    Because that's how they are currently being presented in every review out there from people that actually have them. If they are all lying, then there are some serious marketing issues. If you noticed, I also said they may bring it back at any time in the future. If you have better information than they do, please do share.

    I also believe that the main reason one would buy a KK is actually for the Kontakt ecosystem and not for it's standalone MIDI control capabilities - which with all due respect, are more limited than most other dedicated controllers on the market, if you don't care about poly-aftertouch.

    I actually think KK is a very good product, but the OP question was pretty clear and if he indeed made Maschine a core function of his workflow and that integration is gone, no MIDI protocol alone will change that. I stand by this statement as well.

  • Mannas
    Mannas Member Posts: 1 Member
    edited September 2023

    Will this in any way impact the MK2 integration or just strictly for MK3?


    Also, is it possible to find out a bit of reasoning of why this was removed?

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,731 mod

    Nobody is lying.

    The KKS mk3 is able to send simple MIDI to Maschine, in MIDI Mode, like any other MIDI Device in the world.

    What it can't do is all the dedicated control features, all the stuff that justifies it's price tag, if you use it with Maschine this is all you will see on your fancy screen:

    Absolutely nothing else, at least at launch, then... who knows what it might be able to do.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,488 Expert
    edited September 2023

    Thanks Jeremy that at least settles the question about MK3 Maschine support, or rather lack of it, although it's not what anyone would prefer to be the answer. My question is if people are limited to midi mode will the Maschine software at least be modified to accept aftertouch from NI keyboards that have it, so at least people can use it to record what they play with that midi input including expression?

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 845 Guru

    that's how they are currently being presented

    According to the loopop review (seems to be the longest one) there's no Maschine integration YET. That's a lot different to all these panic posts on here saying that NI have dumped Maschine, the world is going to end etc.

    We know they removed the Maschine buttons and why, but based on the first version of a product that's not on the market yet, I think it's a little early to be throwing toys from the pram.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,488 Expert

    I don't think so, that would be bad

    My guess is it's something to do with the fact the new keyboards support NKS2, and have new hardware and chips on board to enable those extended features, chips that are not in the current line of Maschine (but this is maybe a hint about future developments?)

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,731 mod
    edited September 2023

    Removing existing features on the current keyboards (mk1 mk2) would be crazy, NI can be strange at times but not to this point.

    Just to clarify for anyone else reading it's not about the Maschine MK3 especially, it's all of Maschine, it's SW support so it doesn't matter if it's a Maschine Mk2, Mk3, Mikros, M+, Studio, etc.

    I agree it's not the end of the world, at the same time it's quite disappointing and weird not to support your own products, expressing this concern might convince them to re-think it or prioritize it.

    Also, if people think Mas already feels abandoned this certainly does not help, cant blame them tbh

  • R_E_D
    R_E_D Member Posts: 32 Helper

    No panic at all, the OP is trying to make an informed purchase decision. "The only difference is that some Maschine specific buttons were removed" is not quite the whole picture, and he should be aware of that.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 845 Guru

    Mea culpa. I'd only watched Jef Gibbons review at that time, which mentioned the removal of the buttons but didn't go into detail about what else was affected.

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