NI KOMPLETE KONTROL S88 MK3

UHD20
UHD20 Member Posts: 1 Newcomer
edited July 2023 in Komplete Kontrol

Good day,

How long was the period of release date between the KOMPLETE KONTROL S88 MK1 and KOMPLETE KONTROL S88 MK2? Then you could conclude how long it would take until the KOMPLETE KONTROL S88 MK3 comes on the market, because it was basically the big offer on Native Instruments Sound of Sommer?

With kind regards Domenig

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  • ham2065
    ham2065 Member Posts: 13 Member

    It could be a while because I do not think NI will release another Midi 1.0 keyboard. They will be working on Midi 2.0 and obviously that is a big change. They could do something like Roland and release a keyboard with all the technical capabilities of Midi 2.0 but running 1.0 and then provide a firmware upgrade to 2.0 at a later date. They will need to design how NKS work with Midi 2.0 Property Exchange etc. and whether it is even needed while worrying about what the competitors are doing and how the standard is best implemented in a practical sense.

  • PierkeP
    PierkeP Member Posts: 2 Newcomer

    If they add pads and sliders to the new keyboards (MK3's), they will sell a lot of them I think and they will become more usefull then the current versions. Now you need external gear for sliders and pads.

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,231 Guru

    Adding pads and sliders would be a step backwards and a lazy way to bring innovation.

    The endless encoder knobs already on it are superior to fixed endpoint sliders. So a more elegant way via software to give them better mapping to more tasks.

    And the keyboard keys can perform the function of pads.. again an elegant way to implement this optional performance mode is the path forward.

    Improved KK software is what could bring the more elegant functionality to these controller products.

  • PierkeP
    PierkeP Member Posts: 2 Newcomer

    Keys could indeed replace the pads but in my opinion sliders would be handy when layering sounds in a live environment so that the position of the slider gives a good visual indication of the current volume of the layered sounds so you can easily change the volume combination when needed on the different layers With the endless knobs you have no idea what the volume is without looking at the screen, but I could be wrong with my thougts.

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,231 Guru

    Next generation of keyboards could have 16 endless encoders instead of 8.. and they could have a lighted ring around them to indicate their current level. No need for the complexities of motorized faders.

  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 2,437 Expert

    They could also cook you breakfast, teach your kids another language and develop a cure for cancer in a fictitious world...

    Faders are FAR more superior than encoders or touch strips. More sensitivity in small adjustments, easier to make large adjustments fast (such as sweeps), easier to see/feel the overall levels of things such as volume, you can nudge them and you can adjust multiple faders with different fingers for ridinbg several track levels or effects at once.... This is why I have a portion of my desk for an MCU which has been bullet proof and although both my Push and KK can control the mixer of my DAW, I use the MCU quite a bit for all these reasons and at a glance can see exactly which tracks a volume control belongs to just based on the physical position.

    However, I would not expect/want faders on the KK anyway. Encoders for what it is are just fine.

  • Bernhard de Pauw Gerlings
    Bernhard de Pauw Gerlings Member Posts: 1 Member

    For those of us who like to record classical parts, being able to control Expression at the same time as Modulation is critical. The current touch strip under the modulation and pitch wheels is not placed adequately for doing that. For this group of musicians, sliders would therefore be a big step forwards, not backwards. Alternatively, a third wheel (...) for Expression could be a solution as well.

    Of course there are other solutions, like external faders or pedals, but these are workarounds for a keyboard that is missing the function. When choosing a new keyboard, other brands can for now be more appealing to musicians who are in this part of the market. So the question is, will NI zoom in or out when it comes to market segments?

  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 2,437 Expert

    Expression at the same time as Modulation is critical. 

    Isn't that why there is connectivity for expression pedals tho? I mean if you want to control expression and modulation at the same time plus play the actual keys, you either need foot control or a 3rd hand...

  • MyStudioOne
    MyStudioOne Member Posts: 249 Pro
    edited August 2023

    Exactly... tactile side by side expression and dynamics (modulation) with the left, and orchestral composition with the right. There are a lot of products out there for such a purpose. I use a Faderport 8 for mixing but when put into midi mode it can then be mapped for this purpose and whatever other mappable features of your instruments you'd like to control.

    I do not think the faders you see on any keyboard out there are tactile enough for this since they have tiny handles which you kinda need to grab (thumb and finger) rather than quality motorized fader pads you can comfortably rest your fingers on and slide freely.

    So I am also in the camp of "Why put lowsy faders on an otherwise fairly high quality machine?" I do think a typical multi-purpose 16 pad setup would be a good addition for me, but there are plenty of those out there to buy as well (Presonus Atom comes to mind). But hey, we are all different!

    Hell, I would be happy with a robust midi-mapping software update! Mind you there is sure a lot of wasted real estate on the left and right sides of my S88. hmmm....

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,231 Guru

    From @MyStudioOne

    Mind you there is sure a lot of wasted real estate on the left and right sides of my S88. hmmm....

    Handy areas for an Apple trackpad and keyboard!

  • Horizondawn
    Horizondawn Member Posts: 4 Newcomer
    edited August 2023

    @MyStudioOne I reckon they won't add it. My guess is they will release it as a standalone keyboard (Like the Machine +) Just a guess, though. I have seen a fun render of the S61 MK3 but can't say if its 100% real. Bit scared they will ban me for sharing it...

  • emccartan718
    emccartan718 Member Posts: 3 Newcomer

    ah you saw that too? I think it was an accidental early listing, although from what I've seen it looks very similar to the MK2

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,231 Guru
    edited August 2023

    Thank goodness the leak indicates no pads or faders!

  • MyStudioOne
    MyStudioOne Member Posts: 249 Pro

    So it would it have somehow ruined your desire to buy an MK3 if they had added one or the other?

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,231 Guru
    edited August 2023

    Yes.

    I would much rather have sophisticated software to have any such "needs" handled by the keys or rotary knobs.

    Pads and faders are redundant and inferior to the keys and endless rotary knobs.

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