Stems files in Traktor Pro 3

Demus

Created a stems file with RipX, to compare how the file would play in the different DJ software. The file in RipX was created from a flac file 24bit 44.1 khz file. was converted to a stems 16bit 44.1 khz, that was the only out-put option I got. The file separation in Ripx was very good quality. The same quality as Virtual DJ 2023, 5 level of separation. Serato only read 4 level of separation combining the vocal and the hi-hat together and Traktor did the same only reading 4 level of separation combining the vocal and hi-hats. Traktor Pro 3 was equal in playback quality to Serato DJ but not as good as Virtual DJ. My guess is that Traktor Pro 3 implementation of stems will be about the same as Serato DJ. Rekordbox DJ was really horrible playing the same file. Let's see where the implementation of flexible beat grid will be compared to the other DJ software. Might be the deciding factor for me as far as my decision.

Demus

Yes. I know you can configure how to the output stems are mixed in RipX so you can get an stem.mp4 with the vocal isolated from hit-hat (that should be in the drums layer).

But like I said NI and Serato only can decode 4 levels of stem. Vocal, Melody, Bass, Drum. While RipX can encode 5 levels of stems the same with Virtual DJ 2023 and decode. Vocal, Instruments, Bass, Kick, HI hats. Let's see what happens when NI real time stems get implemented. I don't think that the level of separation will change to 5 levels.

LostInFoundation

Funny thing is that Stem format has been created by NI 😂

https://www.macprovideo.com/article/audio-hardware/native-instruments-launches-stems-adds-support-to-traktor-software-hardware

Kubrak

I do not think NI will change it to 5. NI HW supports 4, if they would increase to 5, new HW would be needed and old one (F1/S5/S8/D2) would not be able to handle it....

Tellmeaboutit123

Have you tried Nuo stems 2. It’s really good and designed with Traktor in mind. Sound wise is on par with serato I would say even getting close to virtual dj.

LostInFoundation

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/66296#Comment_66296

Well…that’s a good reason for them to change it

”Hey…you need to buy this new hardware and you can’t use previous anymore”

😂😂😂

Demus

Serato loads and plays stem file. The stem file also loads and plays in Rekordbox DJ version 6.7.

@Tellmeaboutit123, I tried the demo for Nuo stems 2 didn't really work that good... maybe because it was the demo version.

@Mutis..did some good enough research. RipX is a remixer's playground not really a good way to process stem files for DJing. It takes over 2 minutes to process one audio file to stems. Plus, export time for the saving of the stems file.

Scratch-E Con

What a coincidence, I bought RipX last month. It is awesome, the latest version can split up to 6 files. You can of course convert them back to four as you please using any DAC.

Demus

Yes, for batch processing Nuo-stems is the king. But I never used it fully demo only. Correct if I am wrong and anyone from NI should be an expert on stem files, because stem file was originally created by them. Stem files contain the information for the separation of the stem file so why would it need to be reanalyzed.

Demus

Ok, I now have a better understanding. As far as my test is concerned with stems separation. (Just the quality of the stems separation).

1. Virtual DJ
2. RipX
3. Serato DJ and Nuo Stems
4. iZotope RX10
5. Rekordbox DJ

Sûlherokhh

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/66488#Comment_66488

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/66667#Comment_66667

RipX is pretty good for cleaning up the seperated stems so each can be played on it's own without artifacts or missing pieces. I don't mind that it takes a bit.

D2Lover

"RipX is pretty good for cleaning up the seperated stems so each can be played on it's own without artifacts or missing pieces. I don't mind that it takes a bit."

What tools within RipX do you use to clean up the seperated stems without artifacts ?

what's your process / workflow ?

thanks in advance

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Sûlherokhh

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/66697#Comment_66697

I'll report...

lord-carlos

The sound quality in the stems function in the stems is improved,improved algorithm stems function.

🤔

Demus

Well, let's see what NI brings to the table. I am guessing somewhere in the region of Serato DJ Pro. Based on what I got from izotope RX 10 stem separation. That would be very good.