Are There Any "Gotchas" running a S49 Mk3 to drive an S88 Mk1, which is running KK 2.9.6?
The question pretty much says it all. I have the OLD S88 Mk1 running the OLD 2.9.6, but I want the latest features of the Mk3 Series, and the latest KK version. Will I have a problem?
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Actually it's the other way round, initially they shared the same database which caused all sorts of problems for those of us running both but NI responded by giving them separate databases and scan apps. So it is easier to run both side by side - still not 'supported' but for the standalone it is easy as you just put each app in a separate folder
For the plugins it's more complicated so you need to decide what you want to run in the plugin versions. For me I use 2.9 exclusively now for loading older plugins including VST2 (which on Mac are unsupported) so I just use the VST2 of that (conveniently KK3 doesn't come as a VST3) and only load it in a dedicated copy of Reaper in Rosetta mode. For KK3 I use the VST3 and AU.
Not sure about the hardware but since they use different hardware services that too might be OK.
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Ideally - you can't really have two versions of KK running in parallel.
There are some workarounds out there - but none are really supported.
If you want things to work with the least amount of hassle - it's really down to choosing one combo (MK1+2.96 or MKIII+3.x) or the other on a single computer.
VP
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Will likely be more headache than its worth. I think the issue is the database is the same DB for both applications but the V3 updates the database which makes it not work with v2 of KK. Initially NI were going to make it possible to run both at the same time (well, it was stated initially) but almost as soon as KK v3 was released they changed and said it was not possible (or easy) to run both on the same system.
Either way, you cannot run both at the same time in the same project either. I believe the drivers conflict too so nothing works as you will hope for. You would think they would make it possible but I guess it is out of their experience range to make that happen.
Can only say good luck adapting to the workflow of the new V3 software tho, it's nowhere as efficient or enjoyable to browse.
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Actually it's the other way round, initially they shared the same database which caused all sorts of problems for those of us running both but NI responded by giving them separate databases and scan apps. So it is easier to run both side by side - still not 'supported' but for the standalone it is easy as you just put each app in a separate folder
For the plugins it's more complicated so you need to decide what you want to run in the plugin versions. For me I use 2.9 exclusively now for loading older plugins including VST2 (which on Mac are unsupported) so I just use the VST2 of that (conveniently KK3 doesn't come as a VST3) and only load it in a dedicated copy of Reaper in Rosetta mode. For KK3 I use the VST3 and AU.
Not sure about the hardware but since they use different hardware services that too might be OK.
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I'm curious. Does anyone think it's possible to use the S88 Mk1 as just a dummy controller? In other words, NOT install KK 2.9.6, and just connect the MIDI cables so the S88 can trigger the S49 Mk3?
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It can act as a MIDI keyboard, however it becomes a pretty large and incapable device to use just as a basic MIDI keyboard.
It may even work as a MIDI keyboard connected via USB since the MK1 does not work with the MK3 software.
Tomato / Tomato… It's some limitation which I believe is also differently problematic on PC and Mac. Either way, not worth the headache of trying for most people.
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OK. I've resigned to the fact that the Mk3 and Mk1 are NOT compatible in the same ecosystem. So, in order to come as close as I can to 1 ecosystem drive as much as possible is to use the NKS libraries. However, I have PreSonus as most of my sound library that I've grown quite accustomed to, but I notice I don't see any NKS libraries on the FreelanceSoundlabs site. Any suggestions? Do I sample them to an NI format, if so, how?
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All Presonus commercial sound sets are locked.
You cannot freely access the content or convert them to any format.
VP
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OK. When I pay for the 360 Plus are all those instruments, etc. incl. and will they be compatible with my 2.9.6 KK? I'm planning to migrate to Cubase 14 Pro. So, I guess I just need to import it into FreelanceSoundlabs?
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Unsure what you mean there. Soundsets as in sound expansions, or are you referring to plugins from Presonus (and which ones)?
You can't simply "convert" anything to NKS, NKS is not any kind of sound format, it is just method for taking a snapshot of a plugins preset basically, it works with VST instruments only. Sounds and Samples such as loops and one shots can also be imported into KK tho I find that is a bit of a waste of time mostly due to the limitations of KK and especially in KK V3 where you cannot even DnD files out into your DAW (which is the only good thing about it).
FreelanceSoundlabs isn't something you can import into either, it's just a website that hosts the libraries.
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Thanks for the reply Jester. Sorry for the confusion. I understand the PreSonus libraries are totally incompatible with the NKS ecosystem on any level. As far as the Steinberg libraries, I understand NKS is just a technology that's applied in order for KK to recognize it for simply the sake of KK using it in ITS library, just as SampleTank libraries would.
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I understand the PreSonus libraries are totally incompatible with the NKS ecosystem on any level.
For now…
A forthcoming update to Kontrol S MK3 will make it possible to adjust the parameters of any plugins (stock DAW plug-ins, 3rd party but non-NKS plug-ins etc) in several major DAWs, including Cubase, Logic, Bitwig, Ableton and Digital Performer.
Studio One is also a major DAW, and I would expect some even more significant integrations there over the next 12 months.
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That would would work, yes. But for basic MIDI control. The NKS mapping and control would all come from the MK3 via USB-C.
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Hmm, that would be fantastic to control DAW plugins like Ableton instruments and effects from KK MK3. Studio One is my other DAW of choice so this is encouraging. If this is done well enough, it may encourage me to upgrade from the MK2.
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