Maschine 3 Projects can't open in MAschine+ Stand Alone

Fräenk
Fräenk Member Posts: 1 Newcomer
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Hi,

when is planned, to roll out an update to support loading Maschine 3 Projects on Maschine + Stand Alone?

THX

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  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,559 Expert
    Answer ✓

    Please read the 2025 Outlook post at the top of the Maschine forum, which was posted in January.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,275 admin
    Answer ✓

    This will come with the next update for Maschine Plus. FYI Maschine Plus 1.6.1 was released last week and will be the last compatible with Maschine 2. What’s New in Maschine+ 1.6.1

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  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,559 Expert
    Answer ✓

    Please read the 2025 Outlook post at the top of the Maschine forum, which was posted in January.

  • walerandei
    walerandei Member Posts: 38 Helper
    edited March 20

    Just take a seat and wait … 😀
    The usual answer NI will give you is: … Soon!
    The thing is that they should not sell the Upgrade to Maschine3 without first make compatible the firmware hardware … but they love money and don`t care about users.

    Meanwhile Akai is about to release a new update that will introduce "time signatures" and many new features in MPC3 firmware. In may there will be the public beta of the MPC3 Desktop Software. And Force users will get a nice update too. A serious company that delivers what it promises. 😉

    Native Instruments right now is out of market in hardware terms. Maschine was a great product ins his time but they abandoned him … right now is out of date. NI only care to sell more Kontakt libraries.
    Of course they'll say "we've released Maschine 3.1 and bla bla bla" … naaaaa. Still there's no firmware update … Maschine + is dead.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,275 admin
    Answer ✓

    This will come with the next update for Maschine Plus. FYI Maschine Plus 1.6.1 was released last week and will be the last compatible with Maschine 2. What’s New in Maschine+ 1.6.1

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,559 Expert
    edited April 22

    a new update that will introduce "time signatures"

    No actually that's just a fix for their earlier error of removing time signatures.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,333 Expert
    edited April 22
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/223040#Comment_223040

    That means bugs won’t be fixed?

    Releasing something saying “Massive and Reaktor user’s presets not loading” isn’t the best practice if then it gets not fixed

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,275 admin
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/223060#Comment_223060

    Which bugs exactly? Do you have references for these bugs? Like a bug number, if we already reproduced them, etc…? Or was it mentioned in the beta?

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 2,016 Expert
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/223194#Comment_223194

    Th following was stated by NI officials in the aforementioned thread:

    there is a known issue regarding user reaktor and kontakt instruments. they dont load correctly when saved in a project. but you can load the presets from the browser as a workaround [albeit annoying]

    This statement confused some users (including me) to think that presets in general don’t load properly.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,275 admin
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/223203#Comment_223203

    Yes but @LostInFoundation mentions Massive presets, this is also confusing.

    I think Michael means Reaktor user instruments and Kontakt user instruments, which is a different thing than presets.

    If you had questions or were confused, why not asking in the thread where the team is active in?

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,333 Expert
    edited April 23

    @Jeremy_NI Yes I made some confusion, writing presets instead of instruments. Sorry. I was referring exactly to what Michael_NI said and Ozon quoted:

    there is a known issue regarding user reaktor and kontakt instruments. they dont load correctly when saved in a project. but you can load the presets from the browser as a workaround [albeit annoying]

    It is instruments and not presets, but the question still remains: “Maschine Plus 1.6.1 was released last week and will be the last compatible with Maschine 2” means those things won’t be fixed?

    And I asked also here because we DID ask also in that thread, on page 2, but no answer was given.

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    I even tried to ask it again today (unluckily making the same mistake)… and now the thread is closed.

    So…I’ll try again: now that you know what I was referring to (thanks Ozon)… do you have an answer?

    The question of course is still valid also for @Michael_NI or @Chris_NI and they can always answer here if they want, since the other thread has been closed…

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 2,016 Expert

    @Jeremy_NI wrote

    Yes but @LostInFoundation mentions Massive presets, this is also confusing.

    That is because Massive and Reaktor presets are mentioned in the release notes as being fixed.

    I think Michael means Reaktor user instruments and Kontakt user instruments, which is a different thing than presets. 

    Exactly, that's where all the confusion started. The release notes mention loading of Massive and Reaktor Presets as being fixed, but do not state an Known Issues. Michael then pointed out that Projects containing Reaktor or Kontakt user instruments will not properly load them. For a lot of users (and that's also how Maschine and Komplete Kontrol makes it appear), settings for Reaktor and Kontakt instruments are also presets - some of which are living in the FACTORY tab, others in the USER tab of the BROWSER.

    Therefore, with the keywords Massive, Reaktor, Kontakt and Presets mentioned in the context of this update as being fixed and not fixed at the same time, the delicate details and implications of context (instrument presets vs. user instruments in projects) got lost.

    That's also why I proposed to add a clarification to the release notes.

    If you had questions or were confused, why not asking in the thread where the team is active in?

    My question was answered by Michael, so I am not confused anymore - at least regarding this topic. But a few readers probably didn't understand or overlooked his answer.

    Now that thread is closed. But the confusion lives on. 😄

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,333 Expert

    You are lucky… my question was simply ignored…and when I tried to ask it again…pouffff… thread closed.

    Now let’s see if I have more chances here with @Jeremy_NI

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,275 admin

    Hey, will reach out to Michael and the team. IIRC, it's a bit of a grey area, the ability to use user made Reaktor or Kontakt instruments was never really implemented or officially supported. It used to work none the less quite simply, and at some point needed the workaround Michael suggested. So not really a bug, since it wasn't really a feature. Please take this with a pinch of salt until I get a confirmation.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,333 Expert

    Thank you anyway for trying to at least give an answer

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 2,016 Expert

    @Jeremy_NI thank you for your answer and pushing this to the team.

    the ability to use user made Reaktor or Kontakt instruments was never really implemented or officially supported

    Obviously, it was implemented, otherwise it wouldn't work at all. But it never was officially supported.

    Which is a bit of a mystery, as this "non feature" turns the Maschine+ into a unique performance platform for synthesis and advanced sample playback. It's the single feature that moves it away from the "preset player for DJs" category into "musical instrument for creatives" territory. It's the only feature which is way ahead of its competitors.

    So not really a bug, since it wasn't really a feature.

    I know you have to put it that way. But I also know, that you know this is just corporate talk. Which doesn't help real users who bought your product and are trying to use the most creative and interesting aspects of it. Those who are pushing the envelope. Those who set trends and open the gates for the masses. Those who make products possible in the first place.

    The Future of Sound. 🛸

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,275 admin
    edited April 25
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/223460#Comment_223460

    There's a reason why it was never really officially supported. User Reaktor ensembles can have huge performance issues, cause crashes and that would not be great on the M+, same with Kontakt user instruments that could be too heavy. We have no control over these user made instruments and the effects they can cause. It's not corporate talk. I should have used another term, usage if these user instruments was not prevented, to make it more open for some users.

    And yes, this is more of a customer care perspective, I'm not really here to debate.

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