Kontakt 7 very very long to launch

LauLau · 2023-01-14T19:02:37+00:00

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Hi,

Kontakt 7 takes about 45s to launch in standalone or as a plugin, Kontakt 6 3s only.

Why? Is there a workaround?

I have uninstalled it twice but with the same result. Kontakt 7, imho is a real waste of money, I got so many bugs since the begining.

I'm on PC i7, 16Go ram

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Jeremy_NI

Hey all, as promised and coming a bit late, but finally it's here, Kontakt 7.10.7 final update, including Sequoia compatibility nad improvements on loading times:

##IMPROVED Now loads as much as 6x faster than prior - better instantiation times with a lot of content products and 3rd party plugins installed

Please open Native Access and update.

PhatMonkey

NEW UPDATE TODAY fixes the load times, Kontakt 7 now for me loads instantly rather than 45+ seconds, lets hope they can do the same for Battery 4 :)

UPDATE: Spoke too soon, after PC restart back up to 25 seconds hahahahha

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Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/179558#Comment_179558

Thanks for the stats. Good to know.

tonyalexa

Kontakt 8 is the slowest versions I've run. It takes a long time to open and to load many of my instruments. This is on a AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, 12-Core system with 64GB RAM. I'm on Windows 10 and I'm wondering if it's optimized for Windows 11.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/182921#Comment_182921

Windows 10 still runs faster than Win 11 (regardless of CPU or anything else) so no need to wonder about that.

I saw the greatest increase in Kontakt (AND Komplete Kontrol) speed - when I rebuilt my machine and specifically reduced my plugin stash down to about 400 from 1200 a few months back.

I only allow Kontakt and Komplete Kontrol (v2.9.6) to "see" NKS compatible VST3 plugins - and Kontakt 7 opens in 4 seconds here right now. Not really a concern.

Also (if you are on Windows) make sure that Windows Defender never looks at the entire Native Instruments folder on your hard drive and does zero real time scanning. This one catches a lot of people.

That one easily shaved a minute or two of my load times prior to rebuilding my DAW.

sacer11

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/182931#Comment_182931

I experienced the same, the Plugin opening time reacts to the amount of plugins, how do you have reduced the plugins amount Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt are only NKS Plugins Scanning ?

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/184499#Comment_184499

Within the Komplete Kontrol Preferences→Plugins - I only check those plugins I have installed that I know are 100% NKS compatible and are actually controllable/selectable from my S-Series S61 MKII. Everything else is unchecked and ignored within Komplete Kontrol.

For Kontakt itself - I do not allow any VST2 plugins and really just tightened up my plugins in general. I do not need 1200 plugins installed when 400 will do everything perfectly.

Actually - probably do not even need 400 - more like 50 :)

sacer11

my problem is that i need vst and many old vsts to open old projects. I prefer to continue to work with kontakt 6 and old versions like maschine 2.16 and komplete kontrol 2.8 instead of Kontakt 8 if it takes minutes to open such a damn plugin. So i have more than 1000 Plugins and can stick with old versions i a major update makes everything worse like Komplete Kontrol 3. I am sure I'll skip Maschine 3 Software Update also, I can't imagine that it will bring ayn advance, but 10 disadvantages….

Don't get me wrong. Everything else is up to date. NI and Waldorf Largo 2 are latest updates i skipped.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/184984#Comment_184984

I thought I needed them too. Until I really did a hard core analysis of what I had before (1200+ plug-ins) and what I really needed for my new DAW.

Bit the bullet and ditched a ton of stuff. If I encounter any old projects that need something that I dropped - I replace it on the fly with a plugin that made the cut.

This move made such a huge difference in my launch times that I will not be adding anything more to the mix for the go forward.

But I get it. Some actually need that many plugins while some just think they do.

If you can handle repeated long load times due to that kind of plugin count - then rock on.

Me - I don’t like waiting on KK wasting time scanning stuff I would never use in KK anyway.

One thing that is clear to me - is there is no way that NI loaded up some hodge podge collection of 1200+ plugins like I had - to test the startup load times of KK or Kontakt.

That many plugins would slow anything down eventually

sacer11

i don't have to wait anywhere else, except of Ni. All other 1400 Plugins work very well, even old stuff like Steinberg Guitarist 2 jbridged to 64 bit or Kore 2 with all expansions.

I don't use them in new projects and i don't use VST2 anymore in new projects, but it doesn't slow my system down. The only problem makes NI, so I stick with old versions of Maschione 2.16, Komplete Kontrol 2.8, Guitar Rig 6, Battery 4.2 and Kontakt 6 as long as I don't see any Advance in new NI Stuff - What is your benefit of newest Komplete Kontrrol ? do you have an Mk3 ?

I have sold my Mk2 because i like to work direct in ableton with push and macros to control, faster workflow than KK. I only use KK sometimes for prelistening and browsing, but i do it most in Maschine.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/186085#Comment_186085

I think you are missing the point here slightly. Yes - I totally understand that having 1400 plugins on your system "won't slow you down". And that you do not have to wait elsewhere - that is not the issue.

The issue is - if you are not actually using all 1400 plugins directly inside Komplete Kontrol - all day, every day - why (under the Preferences→VST Plugins) would you ever allow KK to make your life a pain by waiting to it to scan 1400 plugins everytime?

Get in there and tell it what it can AND what not to scan. Like scan 67 of 1400. Or 212. And watch your scan/wait time drop dramatically.

That is what I did (but restricting myself to ONLY scan NKS) and now KK opens in 5 secs - is all I am saying.

riflinka

So what's going on now? Have the developers forgotten about Kontakt 7 and the slow loading or are there still plans for improvement?

Jeremy_NI

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/191107#Comment_191107

No no, not forgotten, a final Kontakt 7 update should come soon and address this issue.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/191310#Comment_191310

Wow. Awesome! Thanks for the heads up Jeremy.

sacer11

Hope they also fix Maschine 3 and Komplete Kontrol 3 - with these loading times the updates are useless

SteKrae

Supplement:
Starting with the Steinberg Built In ASIO Driver is therefore faster because it only starts 2 inputs/outputs. The same is possible with the ASIO4All driver with only 2 inputs/outputs.

Incidentally, Kontakt 7 took 27 seconds to start with the Steinberg Built In ASIO Driver before the update, instead of 6 seconds. Therefore, the increase is more noticeable there.

sacer11

instead of one minute it now takes 15 seconds, while Kontakt 6 still takes 4 seconds.

Whats about Kontakt 8, Maschine 3 and Komplete Kontrol 3 - will this loadiong mess problem gets therere adressed too or shall i stick with Kontakt 6 and maschine 2 ?

Maschine 3 also uses nearly one Minute to open this damn plugin, while Maschine 2.16 uses 4 seconds

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